Author Topic: How Threatening is Terrorisim to America? (Read 1329 times)

x0847Marine · « **Reply #15 on:** September 22, 2007, 12:51:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Blooz
Every terrorist scumbag that assumes room temperature is good for the world, not just the United States.

To turn your back, ignore the problem and hope things get better just invites disaster.

Seek them out and destroy them.

Passive defense is like the Maginot Line. It looks impressive but gives a false sense of security.

Just wondering if you had a clue as to why "they" pretty much hate, and have hated, the US .gov?

I suggest you read this article then ask yourself how you'd feel if a "Mandella" like fella in your country was summarily replaced by the US .gov to secure Oil interests, which was then followed by US puppet that ruled with brutal oppression for 26 years. Why do you think the "insurgents" are fighting like banshees to keep the US out of the mid east? they experienced a f'ed up US puppet once, for 26 years, and didn't like it too much. Would you?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/latulippe/latulippe41.html

"While Americans may know little about Operation Ajax, its memory still evokes intense anger from nearly every Iranian."

"In essence, the United States had engaged in a massive covert operation designed to remove a democratically elected leader from power and reinstall an authoritarian monarch..."

"This affair had several disastrous ramifications for the future of American-Iranian relations. First, the Shah, from that point forward, was viewed as a creature of America.Consequently, America became an accessory to his every oppressive act during the subsequent 26 years of his rule"

"Second, the American embassy in Tehran was permanently marked as a "nest of spies" in the eyes of the Iranian populace. And third, Iranian democracy was strangled in its crib"

Chairboy · « **Reply #16 on:** September 22, 2007, 12:55:44 PM »

We had to destroy our freedoms to protect them.

john9001 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 22, 2007, 01:12:50 PM »

x0847Marine, let me update you, it's not 1953, it is now 2007.

time to move on.

Blooz · « **Reply #18 on:** September 22, 2007, 01:35:48 PM »

The question isn't "Why do they hate us?"

It's rhetorical.

Who cares. What's done is done.

The question is why you think if the Dems can just lose the war maybe they can get a person in the White House.

Vote to put good men out on a limb just so you can saw it off?

War is a very terrible thing but to vote for something that you're against is worse. It's treason.

You voted for war. You've got it. Now, win it! We've all been down the other path. Why repeat that mistake?

1K3 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 22, 2007, 02:51:12 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
x0847Marine, let me update you, it's not 1953, it is now 2007.

time to move on.

And that's something the Iranians would not forget.

Tac · « **Reply #20 on:** September 22, 2007, 03:29:16 PM »

Many insist that 'education' and 'winning the hearts and minds' of the populations that the terrorrists come from is the best approach.

BS. This politically correct yuppie idealism that is fed to the star trek generation of today is the worst approach to defeating terrorrism... in fact it HELPS the terrorrists not only to operate but also expand their influence and widens their 'coverage' to a global audience.

These populations are constantly portrayed as the 'poor innocent victims', the folk we 'must help', a people misinformed and manipulated by the wicked masterminds, etc etc. But has anyone really taken a look at who these populations really are? what they are?

It is not possible to educate or woo a host of people from diverse ethnical backgrounds living all around the globe in all economical and social strata that blindly follow a mob of power hungry lunatics who need only thump their fingers at a text written thousands of years ago in order to recieve the blind obedience of these masses. Stalin once labeled people of this ilk as the 'useful idiots'.

Unlike Europe and Western civilizations however, these populations the Terrorrists come from have their society and religions stuck in the medieval ages while their economical and technological development has been given to them from the West. There was no 'Age of Reason' for these societies.

In essence, they are ignorant medieval peasants armed with missiles and machine guns fighting for warlords who aim only to maintain and fatten power base and profits by feeding the peasants with religious and social hate towards an outside enemy. And these warlords often ally themselves with the Popes of terrorrism because they provide the best outside enemy for the peasants to vent their misery against. Today that outside enemy is the Western civilization.

Western civilization cannot defeat terrorrism without forcing the social and religious beliefs of the societies they recruit from out of the picture by education or by weaning them through several centuries worth of personal enlightment. There is simply not enough resources or manpower to do this.

Only two civilizations in the past have been able to successfully deal with these situations: the ancient Chinese and the Roman empire.

Their approach was simple and effective. Awe and Woo the troublesome people into willingly assimilating BEFORE sending the army in... or kill them off if they do not assimilate after conquering them. In both Asia and Europe you will find just how many tribes/societies/cultures these two ancient superpowers wiped out .. and you may also notice that the Chinese and Roman empires are perhaps the only two societies that survived for almost a thousand years (if not more).

Nowadays of course, we cant simply send in troops to wipe everyone out. We cant educate and woo them either.

So how to defeat them? By targeting the very source of the Terrorrist's power base: the useful idiot societies. This is achieved by Denying their existance.

Denial of existance attacks the core of a SOCIETY (not individuals or the small elite groups in power) and focuses them into a situation of 'extremis' from which the society either dissapears or emerges completly changed.

Steps:

No media coverage - Arafat is a prime example of this. Without a TV camera he had no power and no influence. Terrorrism depends completely on the media to exist.

Denial of Resources - Society X is the prime source of terrorrists and funding and it happens to sit on top of the world's oil supply? Take the oil fields from them.

Denial of Trade - no trade or economical agreements to be made with such societies. With no trade comes crisis and crisis is what makes the useful idiots turn against the warlords that failed them.

Denial of identity - with passports no longer valid, no international recognition of statehood and inability to enter into agreements with other peoples/nations, the denial of identity has a tendency to have a divided society become a single entity. If they dont get their crap together they die off and dissapear. Has happened plenty of times in the past.

Denial of Sanctuary - Refusal to allow people from these societies to emigrate to other nations. As cold hearted as it sounds, this is a vital step in the process. The people seeking to emigrate are the very people that are discontent with their own society and are the very people who are the catalyst for creating the extremis.

...and many more.

This all sounds terrible and horrible by modern standards and morals but I believe that babysitting a people is not the way to deal with their problems; you need to give them a swift kick in the butt and let them fend off for themselves and only THEN will they grow up and stand on their own.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #21 on:** September 22, 2007, 04:06:25 PM »

He is basically right.

Viking · « **Reply #22 on:** September 22, 2007, 07:04:36 PM »

... but his solutions are simplistic and not doable.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #23 on:** September 22, 2007, 07:43:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
We had to destroy our freedoms to protect them.

This is so insane. I personally do not feel that my freedoms are any less than they were pre-2001 nor have I experienced this other than removing my focking shoes prior to jumping on a commercial jet because of some dingdong that wanted to add to the carnage shortly after 9/11.

Tango · « **Reply #24 on:** September 22, 2007, 08:05:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
We had to destroy our freedoms to protect them.

What freedoms have you lost?

x0847Marine · « **Reply #25 on:** September 23, 2007, 01:30:32 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
x0847Marine, let me update you, it's not 1953, it is now 2007.

time to move on.

I'll bet a lot of Iranians have moved on from the Ajax days tho.. and moved onto to new refreshing reasons to hate like the US supporting Iraq in an 8 year war, US $$ supporting more despotic lunatics that oppress their "brothers" in Egypt, Pakistan, Jordan, and a few others patently stupid moves by the rejects in charge.. oh like the fiasco in Iraq.

Forget, easy enough... nobody living in the US can relate to what life is like as the result of some stupid idea from another country. But those wacky Persians, they hold grudges for 1000 years.. and something (common sense) tells me they wont be forgetting Ajax history lessons anytime soon since the whole Iraq debacle has only validated their paranoia about the US, again, trying to overthrow their .gov and subject them to another despotic lunatic like the Shah... all in the name of democracy dont ya know.

LEADPIG · « **Reply #26 on:** September 23, 2007, 04:08:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Blooz
The question isn't "Why do they hate us?"

It's rhetorical.

Who cares. What's done is done.

The question is why you think if the Dems can just lose the war maybe they can get a person in the White House.

Vote to put good men out on a limb just so you can saw it off?

War is a very terrible thing but to vote for something that you're against is worse. It's treason.

You voted for war. You've got it. Now, win it! We've all been down the other path. Why repeat that mistake?

If you don't understand how a problem started , you will not know how to fix it.

LEADPIG · « **Reply #27 on:** September 23, 2007, 04:13:29 AM »

X-Marine you are thinking way above the grain of what most Americans can tolerate or comprehend, kudos to you for that. Don't bother about being persecuted or misunderstood for it, most folks will come around much longer after you have and are just plain dense.

If more people understood the reason for the hatred, we'd have better more acurate solutions on how to fix it.

LEADPIG · « **Reply #28 on:** September 23, 2007, 04:35:24 AM »

Terrorism is a war waged of mind and heart, if you do not address it at the level at which it starts, which is the feeling of hatred and where that begins and confront it at that level and the reasons that cause this feeling. You will never fully neutralize it. Terrorism must be stemmed in the hearts and minds of every child before it blossoms into the level of full blown hatred, and that must cause America to pause in self reflection of it's own possible actions and the recourses caused by it's own policy and percieved attitudes.

A bullet cannot identify and kill the hatred in the hearts and minds of people before they have enacted the act of violence against us. Since it is impossible to identify the hatred that exists in the heart's and minds of all the people that may commit a terrorist act against us. No physical weapon brought against a metaphysical thought which is the impetus of all hatred will ever be able totally wipe out the feeling that is terrorism.

lazs2 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 23, 2007, 10:14:13 AM »

ledpig... for someone who doesn't even understand the American soldier and what he wants you sure seem to claim an accute understanding of everyone.

Anyone who agrees with you is smart and anyone who doesn't is just stupid. You come by all this superior insight because... well... because you "feel" it... you "believe" it... obviously.. anyone who doesn't feel or believe as you do is simply "plain dense".

To not agree with you... based soley on feelings no less... is to "not comprehend".

I hope that you are not a full formed adult or a some bitter, disabled adult has been and that there is some hope for you but... you seem more invested in your opinions than simply just the normal student mush head soaking up the peer ideas of students and profs who have never been in the world.

I do think it is good for you to come on here and have your carefully peer reviewed liberal views be "critiqued" tho. I am sure it is frustrating for you. To have such a handle on everything by discusing your feelings with other liberals and then not getting through to the "dense" people here.

The reality is that there are terrorists who hate us. they want us dead. The reality is that we often give them cause because we like to live the way we do... the reality is that they will attack us.

The reality is that I don't care. I would rather fight them somewhere else and it really doesn't matter where. The reality is that if my freedoms are restricted even a tiny bit.... I don't even fly anymore because it is depressing for instance.. if my freedoms are infringed... that it ten times worse than them blowing up some blue voter city with a dirty nuke...

nothing good for my personal freedoms ever comes out of those blue cities anyway.

lazs