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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2007, 07:15:18 PM »
arians, you might want to check your radio first. Some units have an SWR meter built into them. Check your owners manual.
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2007, 07:40:06 PM »
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arians, you might want to check your radio first. Some units have an SWR meter built into them. Check your owners manual.



Thanks RPM , it turns out it did.   You saved me some time and money.  I apreciate it bud .  Tomorrow when I go up to Morgantown I am going to put it to the test.

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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2007, 07:49:23 PM »
Remember to test it on 3 different channels. Low (1), mid (23) and hi (40). You want to find the "sweet spot" in your adjustment that gives you the best overall readings. Don't get too anxious, you will still be the weakest kid on the block.
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2007, 08:12:30 PM »
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Sorry to be so nit picky Hornet but as a radar tech for the better part of 20 years I just couldn't let that one go. SWR is Standing Wave Ratio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave_ratio


Yep and I learned it as Sine wave ratio at Electronic Technician school back in 1994. Same thing......tomato tamato whatever:rofl
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2007, 08:37:37 PM »
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Hornet33,
Thought me and the truckers were all that was left.:D
Been on the 2 way since tube radios, base and mobile, early 60's.
Best skip shot was (he said) Australia in 1984 on the mobile from summit of Mt Rose at almost 9K elevation, most repetitive skip area was southern states, mostly Fla.
Think my second license was KYO9217, which FCC issued to me when they went manditory three and four. Original was two letters and three numbers, but that was long long ago and I lied about age to get it.
Still have two or three working 23 channel units.
All currently used units are 40 plus SSB, and weather, mobile has echo and 1K Watt cheater using K40 roof mount on pick up truck.

ariansworld,
I have 4 major truck stops and major north/south and east/west highways here, and very seldom hear much. Try channel 19 or 17 for most highway traffic. California uses 17 for north/south freeways alot.


my first set was a 23 channel kraco. i just happened to get it when the sunspot cycle peaked in the late 70s... heh, the one that killed skylab. it was a good set and with the good propogation from an excellent solar peak i worked a big chunk of the world with it from nz; u.k, europe, u.s, hawai, new caladonia, japan, aussie and a few other places that i cant remember, mostly using ssb and running bare foot in to a 1/4 wave ground plane. real good days

oh yeah, when skip was runnin' from the u.s channel 19 was often a solid S9 hetrodyne here in nz... talk about busy.  but if you got lucky and found a quite channel a qso in to the u.s with 5 watts am was usually possible.

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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2007, 09:01:24 PM »
My longest DX was Texas to Tazmania with 3 watts in the early 90's.
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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2007, 09:19:37 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2007, 09:23:56 PM »
3 watts is good going rpm. its real hard to be heard, and to hear thu the noise when you use low power.

a big advantage to working dx from nz is that 27megs is a clear band here. the local cb band is on 26 megs, so 27 is free of local noise. apart from a few local 'free banders' if you here a signal on 27 its nearly always dx, it makes things a lot easier.

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2007, 12:34:27 AM »
It was around midnight my time and conditions were perfect. I've done lots of transatlantic from the East Coast using hi power, but I was proud of that one.:cool:
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2007, 12:49:20 AM »
Ah the CB...the poor man's radar detector of the 80s  :)

I dont recall the atmospheric event that did this....the skip (?)  but sometimes you'd pick up conversations that were hundreds, if not thousands of miles away.

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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2007, 06:09:36 AM »
And I thouht these had a small range, I guess I was wrong.

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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2007, 09:38:53 AM »
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And I thouht these had a small range, I guess I was wrong.


Usually they are especially for a mobile radio and antenna. But if the conditions are just right, even your setup could reach 100's of miles
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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2007, 09:48:57 AM »
Back in the "old days" (Late '70's), the FCC was overwhelmed, and few rule breakers were busted.

Today, freebanders, linear runners, and interlopers into the 28 mHz range are busted and fined up to $10,000 and more.

The technology at the FCC's fingertips is far more advanced than it used to be...and the number of licenced hams willing to participare in the AA (Amateur Auxiliary) to bust them has increased.

Run legal, and you have nothing to worry about.  Your new mobile should do you just fine.


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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2007, 09:55:11 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2007, 10:21:31 AM »
On the subject of range....

Your mobile antenna has no "gain", and if your ground is good to the car body (not a magnetic mount---mag mounts have a bad grounding component).  Your "ground wave" range on flat area will be about 10 to 12 miles.

If you are on a 1,000' mountain top (for example)....your "ground wave" signal can extend out to say 50 miles...IF the frequency (channel) is clear of other louder, closer in stations to the other person.

"Skip" (which used to be illegal to communicate with stations over 150 miles, but no longer enforced) is a totally different story.

The nature of 27 mHZ is that it is controlled by SO MANY DIFFERENT forms of radio propagation it's not even funny.   Let's look at some of the most common...


Sunspots
Sunspot Cycles (we are currently at the absolute LOW of the latest 13 year cycle) transequitorial propagation on 27 mHz is rare.  The MUF, or Maximum Useable Frequency for LONG distance comms rarely goes higher than 14 or 18 mHz....wait until late 2008 and it will improve.  This propagation takes place in the "F" layer of the ionisphere.


Sporatic E
Sporatic E lies in the slightly closer to the Earth "E" layer of the ionisphere.  At 27 mHz...these invisible "clouds" can be as amall as a large city or as big as a state, and allow even low powered stations to communicate between 300 and 1,000 miles.  The openings usually happen from April to July in the Northern Hemisphere...and can last for up to 3 to 4 hours.  This propagation does NOT depent on the solar cycle.

Meteor Scatter
Meteors, usually only the size of a grain of sand bombard our planet on a daily basis...but are more OFTEN in nature in regularly predictable meteor showers.  The meteors "ionize" the upper atmosphere as they burn up...at 27 mHz, they allow contacts from say 300 to 600 miles, but only for a VERY SHORT period of time...say 30 to 60 seconds.  Make your transmissions very short, and you can make many meteor contacts during a meteor shower.

Atmospheric Ducting
Usually over larger bodies of water.  The signal gets "trapped" in the "D" layer where the temp aloft is equal to the temp aloft over a distance of say 70-125 miles away and gets "trapped" in that layer (like a heating duct) until it gets to "escape" some distance away.  This makes contacts from (i.e Chicago to Grand Rapids over Lake Michigan in the summer) possible.

Aurora
The Aurora Borealis as low frequencies can wipe out radio propagation.  At higher frequencies it can actually help.  I've made many contacts with Russians at 14 mHz "over the pole", and the Aurora on their signals was obvious...it throws the signal out of phase, and it sounds "watery" or like they are talking underwater.

At 27 mHz, the signal can get "bounced" off the Northern Aurora, and end up send the signal back South 1,000-2,000 miles.  The signals sound less watery, but with the "bouncing" there is a slight delay echo, and sometimes you can hear your own last sylable of your own transmission in the delay echo.  Aurora is less common than the other forms of propagation, but low power stations can easily have a Chicago-California-Florida round-table discussion where all three stations can easily hear one another---almost impossible with other forms of propagation at 27 mHz.

Really, the best way to improve your signal strength LEGALLY (and keep you from getting a hefty fine from running illegal power) is to improve your antenna ststem.  a 102' whip does a lot better than a short mag mount on a mobile.

If you run a base station, there are literally a hundred different antennas with "gain"...many you can build yourself cheaply from wire that will GREATLY improve your signal LEGALLY.

I built a 6 element quad with wire and gray PVC tubing and hung it at 70'...the gain was astranomical.  The cost = less than $100


With ALL of the forms of propagation above you DO NOT NEED ILLEGAL POWER!  I have easily communicated with other stations at half the power people have in their garage door openers (.050 mW).


Let me know if I can help.



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