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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2007, 08:47:44 PM »
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You must also realize, then, sir, to NOT have given him such a podium from which to speak, would have thrown asunder our core value of free speech for ALL regardless of creed or color.  


Free speech for CITIZENS of the United States of America.  The constitution does not provide the right of free speech in this country to just anyone.

So your statement is a moot point.

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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2007, 08:48:19 PM »
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You must also realize, then, sir, to NOT have given him such a podium from which to speak, would have thrown asunder our core value of free speech for ALL regardless of creed or color.  By not letting him speak, you show those morons back in the persian gulf that we really are JUST as hypocritical and ignorant as we seem to be.


Yep, and I'm sure they have all changed their minds now and just love us.:rolleyes:   My point has nothing to do with creed or color, you threw those in on your own.  My point is you shouldn't give someone who is hostile to our country a podium in our country.  Just because he has something to say doesn't mean we have to provide him a forum.  Let him talk, just let it be somewhere else.  Whats so hard about that?

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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2007, 08:56:43 PM »
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Free speech for CITIZENS of the United States of America.  The constitution does not provide the right of free speech in this country to just anyone.

So your statement is a moot point.


More like an invalid point to pick a nit.
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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2007, 09:05:49 PM »
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More like an invalid point to pick a nit.


Agreed.

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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2007, 09:07:18 PM »
He got 19 standing O's, was booed ONE time, when he dissed gays. I worry for the future of our country:confused:
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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2007, 09:10:49 PM »
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He got 19 standing O's, was booed ONE time, when he dissed gays. I worry for the future of our country:confused:


No kidding? What a bunch of fools.
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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2007, 10:38:20 PM »
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Yep, and I'm sure they have all changed their minds now and just love us.:rolleyes:   My point has nothing to do with creed or color, you threw those in on your own.  My point is you shouldn't give someone who is hostile to our country a podium in our country.  Just because he has something to say doesn't mean we have to provide him a forum.  Let him talk, just let it be somewhere else.  Whats so hard about that?


Actually, most Iranians are Pro- united states already.  They were the only nation in the persian gulf to protest the 9-11 attacks, and the public staged mass vigils in the streets of Tehran, as well as all over the country supporting OUR side.

Just because their president is a *******, doesn't mean the rest of the country is.  I sure hope the rest of the world looks at this country in that same way, especially after Bush's addition to his "bushisms" today...

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"Childrens do not learn...."   I get the feeling he was left behind.

And we have a little document that states... "All men are created equal."  Don't crap on it just because the guy is a bit off the deep end.
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2007, 10:42:31 PM »
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Free speech for CITIZENS of the United States of America.  The constitution does not provide the right of free speech in this country to just anyone.

So your statement is a moot point.



Actually, the constitution permits free speech to EVERYONE...within our borders.  What occurs outside our borders is not our issue.  You do not need to be a citizen of this nation to enjoy the right of free speech.
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2007, 10:52:53 PM »
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Free speech for CITIZENS of the United States of America.  The constitution does not provide the right of free speech in this country to just anyone.

So your statement is a moot point.


From "The U.S. Constitution online"  Web Page.



This is a multi-part question pertaining to the "Nanny Trial" in Fall, 1997.

Q25. "As a British national, what constitutional rights, if any, is Louise Woodward entitled to?"

A. This question is more one of U.S. law than of the U.S. Constitution. However, it is an interesting one:

Woodward could have been summarily deported back to the U.K.; or she could be tried under the normal rules of law. If you are tried in a U.S. criminal court, you are entitled to all rights enjoyed by citizens in the court, even if you are not a citizen. There may also have been an agreement in effect that she, as an au pair contracted with the United States Government, agreed to be subject to its laws.

Generally speaking, anyone physically in the U.S. will be treated as a citizen, with all rights guaranteed a citizen. There are some exceptions to this general rule. For example, while entering the United States (and physically in the United States), a foreign national can be detained and expelled. In some cases, detention is for an unlimited amount of time, and some illegal immigrants have been held for years on end.
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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2007, 01:12:46 AM »
Nothing wrong with letting him speak, what was wrong was letting his plane leave without it the Vincennes sending a going away gift.
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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2007, 07:56:52 AM »
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Actually, the constitution permits free speech to EVERYONE...within our borders.  What occurs outside our borders is not our issue.  You do not need to be a citizen of this nation to enjoy the right of free speech.


So using your logic...it would have been ok for this wacko to take his thumb drive with an anti-American document on it down to Kinko's and run off thousands of copies and hand them out anywhere he pleased in the USA?

Why?

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« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2007, 08:32:03 AM »
Why not?

It would probably be a benefit; anyone reading his BS would see what a whackjob he really is.
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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2007, 08:32:58 AM »
Why?

Because that is the elegance of the Constitution and the first 10 amendments. Ideals are not frightened by the words of men. Concepts do not cower and cover their ears. The principles endure and are strengthened by their vigorous use. They are stronger than weak men who cannot comprehend the power of freedom, or who try to silence anything they don't understand or want to hear.

You are completely wrong about the rights and ideals of the United States of America, yet you are free to speak your mind. We are free to correct you or ignore you if you persist in ignorance. It is such a simple concept and disappointing that any adult has passed through the US education system without that fundamental understanding of the Constitution.

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« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2007, 08:39:21 AM »
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Why?

Because that is the elegance of the Constitution and the first 10 amendments. Ideals are not frightened by the words of men. Concepts do not cower and cover their ears. The principles endure and are strengthened by their vigorous use. They are stronger than weak men who cannot comprehend the power of freedom, or who try to silence anything they don't understand or want to hear.

You are completely wrong about the rights and ideals of the United States of America, yet you are free to speak your mind. We are free to correct you or ignore you if you persist in ignorance. It is such a simple concept and disappointing that any adult has passed through the US education system without that fundamental understanding of the Constitution.


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« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2007, 08:47:30 AM »
he wanted to poke the neo-cons in the eye with an iranian stick.

i'm guessing he thought it was smart until those late night phones calls about donations going elsewhere and then he realized the faux pas.

so... he calls him a few names and didn't debate them either.... what a knob.

i'd say let the loonies float their balloons in a free forum for all to see, it seems both have.