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Offline wrag

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« on: September 26, 2007, 02:47:40 PM »
hmmm.................

so we gotta wait till..................

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/25/if-congressional-approval-falls-below-10-do-we-get-to-have-another-revolution/

10% or less?

hmmm.......................

they took a poll???????????????????

so Congress needs to be polled??? AFTER their tarred and feathered?:D

AHHHH OK bad joke
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 03:27:19 PM »
You need Flash Issues to start the revolution.  If something like WACO were to happen again, it'd be easy to start.

As much as we hate the politicians, nothing will happen until we are personally threatened.  And I am not in a position where I want to start it myself based entirely off of a low approval rating.
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2007, 03:48:48 PM »
I am very leery as to just why the author thinks it's necessary to write a NEW constitution just because the popularity of the elected officials is low. Replacing the politicians I can agree with, trashing the constitution is out of the question.

"The latest Zogby poll shows that only 11 percent of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing. This is contrasted with Bush's underwhelming 29% approval rating. These polls show that Americans of all political stripes are losing faith in their government. Congress' all time low (prior to this poll) is 18% approval. Do we get to disband the government and write a new Constitution if it falls below 10%? For comparison, most foreign governments suffer a coup at these approval ratings."
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2007, 04:30:15 PM »
Folks in Waco died because of themselves. They failed to come out when asked. I thought the officials let it go on way too long.
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2007, 04:35:32 PM »
Shuffler there's plenty of examples from Ruby Ridge to the BATF archives of how our govt is failing us.  

I agree with the second commenter on the article.  Don't rewrite the constitution, it's not broken.  If it were re-written you could garuntee the 2nd amendment would go bye bye.

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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2007, 04:37:10 PM »
Welp dang.........

I don't care for or trust polls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted it more for amusement then serious.

IMHO little or even NOTHING will be done about are politicians.  Which is VERY saddening.

I add in that IMHO NEITHER the reps nor them dems are worthy of anyones votes.

I've come to hold the opinion that these 2 parties are actually 2 sides of the same coin.

Watched em..........  one says we need this the other says NO!  Then soon after the party yelling no votes in the thing the other party originally wanted.  SOOO whats the difference in these parties?

IMHO the difference is ONLY MEDIA HYPE!

You want to keep your rights?  You want to keep your freedom? You want to keep your liberty?

Maybe you should look at some other party?  CAREFULLY!

I've looked at em and I have to say the party that comes closest to what I want is the libertarians.

The constitutional party was interesting but then it went too far right for me............

If you are not free I am not free................

I can not secure my rights by taking your rights away, nor can you secure your rights by taking mine.
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2007, 04:57:46 PM »
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Folks in Waco died because of themselves. They failed to come out when asked. I thought the officials let it go on way too long.


Yea...what`s burning a few babies here and there ?
It was more more dramatic than picking the one up they wanted at the lumber yard where he went on the same day every week at aprx. the same time.
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2007, 05:08:14 PM »
A relevant portion of the Declaration of Independence -

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain [George III] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. "
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2007, 05:14:54 PM »
Apparently, from the facts since revealed, those in charge of the initial ATF assault on Waco were intent on getting some media attention and went in like a bunch of cowboys, and got some good men killed.

Not to defend the whackos within the compound, but in the aftermath of that fiasco the authorities overreacted and took the worst possible course of action;  surrounding a sect that believed in an apocalyptic view of their government with vast numbers of men, loudspeakers, searchlights, and military materiel.

Nuclear powered stupidity, and the use of military vehicles in the final assault was a violation of federal law, which prohibits their use against civilians.

Stupid.  Koresch was stupid, and the Feds were stupid.  A lot of innocent women and children paid the price.

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2007, 05:24:33 PM »
Viva La Revolution

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2007, 05:43:15 PM »
there will be no revolution, if anything there will a military coup.

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2007, 05:43:59 PM »
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there will be no revolution, if anything there will a military coup.


And your basis for this statement is?
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2007, 08:48:37 PM »
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Apparently, from the facts since revealed, those in charge of the initial ATF assault on Waco were intent on getting some media attention and went in like a bunch of cowboys, and got some good men killed.

Not to defend the whackos within the compound, but in the aftermath of that fiasco the authorities overreacted and took the worst possible course of action;  surrounding a sect that believed in an apocalyptic view of their government with vast numbers of men, loudspeakers, searchlights, and military materiel.

Nuclear powered stupidity, and the use of military vehicles in the final assault was a violation of federal law, which prohibits their use against civilians.

Stupid.  Koresch was stupid, and the Feds were stupid.  A lot of innocent women and children paid the price.


Overreacted is an understatement.  Blatant disregard for law, fabrication of false evidence, mass murder...  These are only a couple of the things that the ATF did.


When the revolution comes, the ATF will be the first up against the wall.
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2007, 09:10:18 PM »
It is true that the approval rating of congress is quite low right now. When the political pendulum swings too far in one direction we have a mechanism to fix it. It's called an ELECTION.
We don't need a revolution.
We don't need to change our constitution. It has served us well and continues to do so.
We do need to change our politicians.
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2007, 09:12:49 PM »
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there will be no revolution, if anything there will a military coup.


John as a member of the military (12 years of service) I can tell you this.  The US Military will NEVER form a coup.  It's not designed to follow a leader that isn't endorsed by the congress.  

One thing is for sure.  Every member of the military is sworn to "uphold and defend the constitution of the United States".  That is we do not swear any type of alegence to the federal govt. itself except to "obey the orders of the commander in chief and the officers appointed over me".  With that said it is hard pressed that we will follow a general that will lead us to a coup.  

Without the order that we have now discipline in the US armed forces will be hard to maintain at best.  Do lead a coup you'd have to have some hard core officers leading some well respected NCOs on a mission that they've never ever been trained to do.  

IMHO it would be hard pressed to carry out with the current chain of command.  

I am a Non-Commissioned Officer and I would have a hard time ordering members that I am in charge of to lead a coup against my government.  The same goverment wich was elected by the people in accordance with the constitution that I swore to uphold and defend.