Author Topic: Pravda at it again (Read 2401 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 28, 2007, 10:18:06 AM »

boroda... I am having a problem understanding then. If all the newspapers in your country are crap except the ones printed here... how is it that you seem to be privy to the real news of how things work and we are in the dark?

Do you have a different internet also?

maybe the real news is printed on vodka bottle labels?

lazs

AKIron · « **Reply #31 on:** September 28, 2007, 12:47:29 PM »

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Why ask something when you don't even read replies?

Ok, I missed that reply. I'm still left wondering if it is the same entity that was Pravda for the USSR. He said it was sold and bought. What was sold and bought, the original state run paper?

Boroda · « **Reply #32 on:** September 28, 2007, 12:52:20 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
boroda... I am having a problem understanding then. If all the newspapers in your country are crap except the ones printed here... how is it that you seem to be privy to the real news of how things work and we are in the dark?

Newspapers are like XIX century's news source. Also, they are good if you want to see opinions. You just have to keep in mind who owns this very representative of a "free press". We have 5 TV channels that make serious news programs, plus at least three Russian news radios and "Radio Liberty" (it's like a flashback from Cold War). Just compare and think. Just as it is everywhere else. And many people who have cable or IPTV can watch foreign news, CNN and BBC World are included in almost any cable package, as well as Deutsche Welle and some French news channel. And Euronews in Russian are broadcasting 24/7 in Moscow.

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Originally posted by lazs2
Do you have a different internet also?

Well, Google gives different results if you search from the US and from Russia. I hate it.

There are many news-sources on the Net, including blogs. I read at least a dozen blogs daily, again - from different sides.

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Originally posted by lazs2
maybe the real news is printed on vodka bottle labels?

Good idea. I'd prefer beer bottles. Depends on social target group.

We, who are in their 30s and older, have a good experience of Soviet life, and most of us (of those who are interested in news) understand that any media is a manipulation tool, and there is no such thing as a "Free press".

My Grand-Aunt, she's 89 now, was a school principal in Chernovitsy, Western Ukraine. She always subscribed to "Pionerskaya Pravda", a newspaper for kids, because all the Party Line issues were explained briefly and in easy language, so even kids will understand.

Did you notice how often I ask what is Western media opinion on some events? It's quite interesting, especially to listen to the people, not to read translated articles at http://www.inosmi.ru .

Boroda · « **Reply #33 on:** September 28, 2007, 12:56:45 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Ok, I missed that reply. I'm still left wondering if it is the same entity that was Pravda for the USSR. He said it was sold and bought. What was sold and bought, the original state run paper?

Pravda never was state-run. It was issued by the Party.

Last time I saw a Pravda issue was when I helped one aged scientist with his PC, he was a CPRF member, so probably it's again a Party press organ. It was full of articles about "genocidal regime" and so on. I'll probably vote for Communists in the upcoming elections, but reading their press is too much for me.

lazs2 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 28, 2007, 02:08:54 PM »

Ok... now I get it. You have 5 news stations that are russian and some german ones or whatever... so you believe these 4 or 5 over and above all others because... because why?

They are the only ones that tell the truth?

Perhaps their reporters are the only ones on the planet with no agenda?

No matter how I look at it.. you seem to be picking and choosing your news source based on if it tells you what you want to hear or not.

lazs

Boroda · « **Reply #35 on:** September 28, 2007, 04:46:53 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Ok... now I get it. You have 5 news stations that are russian and some german ones or whatever... so you believe these 4 or 5 over and above all others because... because why?

They are the only ones that tell the truth?

Perhaps their reporters are the only ones on the planet with no agenda?

No matter how I look at it.. you seem to be picking and choosing your news source based on if it tells you what you want to hear or not.

lazs

I only mentioned channels that have their own news programs.

Lazs, how many news sources do YOU have? Are you optimistic enough to think that they are unbiased? News channels I mentioned have different points of view, have different news issues and cover different events. They are controlled by different financial and political groups, mostly centrist (viva Putin!) and liberal-right like REN-TV. Radios like Echo of Moscow give news coverage that sometimes beats russophobic BBC World. Unfortunately we don't have any serious media controlled by left/conservative groups and parties. That's what I told Neubob.

If you think there is some media that gives you pure truth and nothing but truth - then you could probably be an ideal Soviet citizen. Even in Soviet times people listened to short-wave radio to get an alternative information source.

When I watch evening news on 1st channel I try to understand what their news selection and opinions really mean for country and me. It's an interesting game.

I didn't expect such questions from you. It's a shame we couldn't meet a year ago when Wolfala invited me to his wedding...

AKIron · « **Reply #36 on:** September 28, 2007, 10:00:27 PM »

Boroda, I know this is a tall request, asking for much speculation and deep thought, but what would the world be like today if communism had prevailed and the west collapsed to be consumed by the Soviet Union?

Boroda · « **Reply #37 on:** September 28, 2007, 10:49:40 PM »

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Boroda, I know this is a tall request, asking for much speculation and deep thought, but what would the world be like today if communism had prevailed and the west collapsed to be consumed by the Soviet Union?

It could not win, mostly because USSR abandoned an idea of "global revolution" when Trotsky got kicked, and the main goal was to keep the country secure from invasions. 62 years of peace that we have now is something never seen before in Russian history.

Anyway, if USSR had won the Cold War, the world today probably could be worse even then what we got now. I mean if today the only global power could be USSR not the US. I have said it several times here already. Kinda funny posting the same things over and over again...

Regardless to what could happen, better or worse, I'd do anything I can for my country. /*I am confused with English tenses now, but I hope you understand me*/

AKIron · « **Reply #38 on:** September 28, 2007, 10:56:33 PM »

No problem understanding you Boroda. Nationalism isn't inherently a bad ideal in my opinion. So long as it doesn't supplant the innate allegiance we all owe to our creator, imo.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #39 on:** September 28, 2007, 11:14:05 PM »

You call the Creator Imo?

AKIron · « **Reply #40 on:** September 28, 2007, 11:21:31 PM »

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You call the Creator Imo?

Didst thou not seest the comma? I will at all times admit my belief to be belief. I'll go even further as to believe your facts are only belief. I equate beliefs to opinions.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #41 on:** September 28, 2007, 11:26:35 PM »

This is my dog, Fido.

AKIron · « **Reply #42 on:** September 28, 2007, 11:27:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
This is my dog, Fido.

He looks just like ya.

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** September 29, 2007, 09:42:54 AM »

boroda... Ok.. we agree... one news source is bad. I don't really watch the news because.. not only is every paper and station agendized but... they put in so much worthless filler that you wouldn't have enough time in a day to read/see/hear enough of em to get perspective.

I have the same internet as you.. I look at both or all ten sides of any issue that is important to me.

I don't see how you can have your view of history based on your current view of news... How can you believe the soviet unions "history" over that of the rest of the world? Surely.. if you listened to short wave as you claim... you must have seen how agendized the soviet news of the time was... so why believe what they claim is your history? they lied when they were making history... why wouldn't they lie about it now?

So far as socialism... communism.. they are the greatest evil that I could imagine for me. Right up there with a dictatorship. I am an individualist. I would rather starve than take food from a socialist or communist government.

lazs

Dago · « **Reply #44 on:** September 29, 2007, 10:00:54 AM »

Pravda is pretty much the Russian equivalent to "The Onion". No truths exposed, but a lot of funny BS made up for your amusement.

NYT - the dummies guide to bias.