Curval, I have a pretty eccentric personal position on a lot of things, but I mainly keep it to myself so as to make as little waves with others as I can. In general, I don't like conflicts, despite being a sucker for any sort of healthy competition, but when I see any of my eccentric ideas show up in other people's own arguments, I won't hold back to defend them. They are rare and I think they should get enough proper defense from improper refutals such as "it's too eccentric so wrong inherently" to offset such things consequential to their uncommonness.
Case in point, I think people in general don't outgrow their instinctive (and stupid; I'm going to keep this brief) affections, and they replicate their emotions on that same pattern from very early age throughout their lives, to varying degrees.
Most people's ethics and emotions systems are just outgrowths of that primal good/evil systematic, and I think it is not (what's the word?) on par with human intellectual potential. I think it's at least very flawed rationaly, and IMO basic and mediocre on an evolutionary scale.
By extension I think most people never really, deeply become aware of themselves. They never truly become conscious but just muck about in a stagnating pool of repetitive occurences surrounded by a fog in their lack of lucidity. They never really stand alone and form their own intentions as they would have if they were the only person alive on the planet or in the universe.
I could go on with an A to Z demonstration supported by various examples, but that's the gist of it.
My post to Angus reads like a slam because of a number of things: Angus' apparent attitude pisses me off the same way Beetle's did, Lazs' point of view isn't getting through and a debate between two pretty lucid (well, almost, Angus) people stays stuck in the mud, I mostly agree with lazs' point so that I'm effectively defending my own point of view when clearing up his, and again I'm just easily stirred up by people who'll prance around about something they've incorrectly taken for granted as false.
I've had to deal with a ****load of people with the latter behavior and I can't stand it. They are either stupid or purposedly pretending to be.
The gist of why I think Lazs is basicaly right is in my previous reply to Rolex.
I don't recall the specifics, but I had previously been more of the opinion of Angus' until lazs agreed with me that women (and men, no sexism here) could be a lot more if they weren't conditioned to be as they are. I think a lot of progress has been made already, though, e.g. women are getting closer to being equal to men professionaly. There is no reason they shouldn't be.
As it is though, there is still a reason to accurately argue they are not reasonable enough about certain things, which to someone like lazs is beyond the tolerance threshold that arbitrarily weighs whether they're worth the grief of their votes' effect on others (in lazs' case, lazs) or not.
I've personaly seen some old girlfriends from years past, and seeing them still as childishly girly in adult matters such as politics left me speechless. The sort of people who, like lazs repeats over and over on this forum, but who actualy exist in large quantities and that you'd have recognized on your own and as described even if you'd never read any AH BB post by lazs, actualy want and insist on controling what you do.. (shades of parents insisting on kids doing something they don't want to do - doesn't it seem like certain people just imitate that just for the sake of it, as though imitating it puts them in the parents' position/seemingly validates their present self-image as such?)
And while I'm at it, I don't think women should have their vote privileges revoked. I think their conditioning as inferior (besides the obvious genetic dispositions to frailer bodies) is what should be corrected.
Lazs, the same way you recognized negroes as no less human than others, the same way you recognize the absurdity of illegal immigrant turkey chases when it would suffice to enforce current laws and penalize fraudulent employers - get to the root of the problem, so you should recognize homo sapiens sapiens females as sporting the same central nervous system hardware and therefore having no handicap barring them from leading the same healthy and uncompromisingly free and happy life you and I and countless other people know and want for ourselves.
Holden, every other post by you I've read either was (as far as I can remember) very funny or had something very interesting in or about it.
