Chinese military superiority?

[crockett]

Originally posted by Torque
china by default, having 200 million people they could easily throw into a conventional war and no one would care.

Yea but they can't transport 200 million people and if they tried, it would be easy pickings for us to target their mass troop movements while in transit.

[Mark Luper]

Originally posted by Torque
china by default, having 200 million people they could easily throw into a conventional war and no one would care.

Let's see, the US has a population of 301 million. I thought the Chinese had a much higher population than that.

I don't get it Torque, want to explain that to me?

Mark

[RAIDER14]

population of china 1,321,851,888

source Google type  population of china

population of united states

301,139,947

[1K3]

I think he meant by 200 million PLA troops

[Mark Luper]

The article stated 2.3 million troops in the worlds largest standing army. That's why I got confused.

Mark

[AKIron]

The Chinese have the numbers and are more than willing to spend them as we learned in Korea the middle of the last century. Logistics to support a marching 200 million man army they boast would be staggering. Where will they go?

[Wolfala]

Late 80s. Used in developing the Mig-31 and SU-27/30 variants.

[evenhaim]

Originally posted by Wolfala



Late 80s. Used in developing the Mig-31 and SU-27/30 variants.

isnt that an iranian f14?

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by evenhaim
isnt that an iranian f14?

Yup

[Neubob]

23 responses and not a single photo of an f-22 with the caption: 'As long as we have these guys, flying around, I'm not worried'

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!

Come on guys, you're lagging!

[TimRas]

Originally posted by Dadano
Our positioning in the mid-east is the trump card. If we can control the flow of oil out of the region, we can control the Chinese and their ambitions.

But you cannot, and China now owns you anyway...

..The country holding the most U.S. debt is Japan which held $612.3 billion at the end of the first quarter of 2007. The People's Republic of China holds the second most U.S. debt, ending the first quarter of 2007 with over $1.2 trillion in total foreign reserves, of which about $420.2 billion are U.S. Treasury securities...
 In recent years, the debt has soared and inflation has stayed low in part because China has been willing to accumulate reserves denominated in U.S. Dollars. Currently, China holds over $1 trillion in dollar denominated assets (of which $330 billion are U.S. Treasury notes). In comparison, $1.4 Trillion represents M1 or the "tight money supply" of U.S. Dollars which suggests that the value of the U.S. Dollar could change dramatically should China ever choose to divest itself of a large portion of those reserves...

A traditional defense of the national debt is that we "owe the debt to ourselves". The US debt in the hands of foreign governments is 25% of the total. Despite the declining willingness of foreign investors to continue investing in dollar denominated instruments as the US Dollar has fallen in 2007 the U.S. Treasury statistics indicate that, at the end of 2006, foreigners held 44% of federal debt held by the public.About 66% of that 44% was held by the central banks of other countries, in particular the central banks of Japan and China. In total, lenders from Japan and China held 47% of the foreign-owned debt. Some argue this exposes the United States to potential financial or political risk that either banks will stop buying Treasury securities or start selling them heavily.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

[AKIron]

Originally posted by TimRas
But you cannot, and China now owns you anyway...

..The country holding the most U.S. debt is Japan which held $612.3 billion at the end of the first quarter of 2007. The People's Republic of China holds the second most U.S. debt, ending the first quarter of 2007 with over $1.2 trillion in total foreign reserves, of which about $420.2 billion are U.S. Treasury securities...
 In recent years, the debt has soared and inflation has stayed low in part because China has been willing to accumulate reserves denominated in U.S. Dollars. Currently, China holds over $1 trillion in dollar denominated assets (of which $330 billion are U.S. Treasury notes). In comparison, $1.4 Trillion represents M1 or the "tight money supply" of U.S. Dollars which suggests that the value of the U.S. Dollar could change dramatically should China ever choose to divest itself of a large portion of those reserves...

A traditional defense of the national debt is that we "owe the debt to ourselves". The US debt in the hands of foreign governments is 25% of the total. Despite the declining willingness of foreign investors to continue investing in dollar denominated instruments as the US Dollar has fallen in 2007 the U.S. Treasury statistics indicate that, at the end of 2006, foreigners held 44% of federal debt held by the public.About 66% of that 44% was held by the central banks of other countries, in particular the central banks of Japan and China. In total, lenders from Japan and China held 47% of the foreign-owned debt. Some argue this exposes the United States to potential financial or political risk that either banks will stop buying Treasury securities or start selling them heavily.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

A nation's ability to wage all out war is not significantly hampered by it's debt to other nations if it has the internal resources to produce it's own war machine and provide sustenance for it's people. Germany is a pretty good example of this I think.

[RAIDER14]

As long as we have these guys, flying around, I'm not worried

[Neubob]

Originally posted by RAIDER14

As long as we have these guys, flying around, I'm not worried

LOL.

Jackarse

[Yeager2]

Okay, I am going to tell you all something that you may or not belive, that is fine with me though.

The Chinese Military (Air Force) is NOTHING in comparison to any western equivalent.  They are completely behind in operations, and also ability within throughout its entire force.

How do I know this? I have trained with and RE-TRAINED (ie, taught) Chinese Military pilots (with mig 21 and newer airframe experience) how to "fly." Don't believe this? Check my IP address,. I am here in country doing it now.  

Rest assured, they are NOT in a class that is considered anything near what western standards identify as proficiency.  

The western media (ahem American) WILL mislead you and also have you believe that China is some superpower. I will tell you that they are no more than a very simple people struggling for their very own existence, gradually (and by that I mean extremely slowly) coming close to what America was in the early 1900's.

People should not be fooled by what they see in Beijing, Shanghai, and other "cities" that are simply modern as a result of foreign investment.
 
China does like to act though as if it is the one walking silently while carrying a big stick. The truth though is that they are extremely vulnerable and behind the times.

Fact.