Salute to the Unknown BISH Nickie!

[Widewing]

Originally posted by waystin2
Uh yeah, Running... Thanks for making me look good here guys.  I suppose I could have filled in every detail, yes I tried multiple reverses, I tried to nail this fellow when he was concerned with the friendlies. I ask you this, would you TnB with a Nik in A-5?  My gut feel & limited experience tells me no.

Well, you don't want to turn fight the Niki, and you don't have to anyway. The 190A-5 is faster, and better in a high-speed climb. You can gain an E advantage fairly quickly and convert that into altitude. Once above the Niki, the A-5 can dominate it.

Much of this ACM depends upon knowing what the other guy's plane can do and know yours well enough to avoid its weaknesses and take advantage of its strengths.

These things come with experience (if you make the effort to learn, many don't).

So, take what you can from each engagement and realize that 90% of the guys you will run into in the MA are no better than you are.

Earlier in this tour, I was fly a 190 when I ran into an NOE with about 15 N1K2-Js and 110Gs. I killed four Nikis and two 110s and picked up three assists as well. I had a huge E advantage (being at 6k when they were on the deck) and used it to E fight them. So, 190s can certainly handle the N1K2-J, as long as you have enough speed at the outset to enable you to offset their maneuverability and high angle climb rate. Any aircraft caught low and slow is at a big disadvantage.

My regards,

Widewing

[storch]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
<--- Lame.   I hate nikis.  I'll cherry them all day....  and la7's while we are at it.

why stop there?

[storch]

not to preach to widewing but you can also defeat a single N1K with a 190 even if you are co alt and co E at the start of the engagement.

[kilz]

wastin dont worry about these trollers. i going to fly an LA and look for SkyRock all day today

one thing SkyRock is right on is turning back to try to pick the niki while you had your hord of friendlys try to kill him. that was lame. you should take storch up on his offer and DA him. you might learn something about that 190A5. next time fly the 109K4 and you will not have to worry about getting him off your six.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by storch
not to preach to widewing but you can also defeat a single N1K with a 190 even if you are co alt and co E at the start of the engagement.

That depends very much on the quality of the niki driver.. A good one will eat your peanuts in short order. An average MA pilot can be beat without undue stress.

My regards,

Widewing

[storch]

no doubt but a good one will hand me my head even if he were in a goon.  my point is just that, there are few good ones left playing the game.

[WMLute]

<===proud Niki dweeb for years now.

The only way a 190 is gonna beat me in a niki is to fight their fight and not mine.

Use the speed and climb of the FW to (as was already stated) get alt on me, and from that point they dictate the fight, and it's only a matter of time.

Hmm... now that I look...  There isn't really a HUGE speed/climb advantage under 10k ish.  They are actually fairly close @5k.  So if you meet one otd, be very wary, and don't blow your energy.  Y'er faster, but just barely.  You do have the advantage of twice the WEP, and that'll help.

Hey WW, I recall that the Niki's accel. is up there.  Top 5 or top 10.  Where is the a5 on accel?

Don't EVER try to loop or turn w/ a Niki.  Get slightly above the Nik, then use your superior roll rate to vector in for a killshot.

[storch]

against you even if i were the n1k you would win even if we started co alt. against most of the players in the MA I could be in an inferior and totally defensive attitude and still prevail because most of the n1k players are killing themselves to line up a HO shot.  the emphasis would be on the killing themselves.

[BaldEagl]

Just tonight I was in a 190A-8 and engaged a 190D-9 co-alt, co-e.  He decided to turn fight which was his first mistake as the A-8 has the advantage in that engagement but, an enemy N1K decided to join us from an alt advantage.

I remained focused on the task at hand checking on the N1K periodically, ocassionally rolling to avoid his shots as he inevitably overshot on every try.

I finally got the Dora as he tried to break and run then turned and took out the N1K on a forward deflection shot as he tried to come in on the HO (but never got a gun solution).

My advice... stay and fight.  You learn more, and as Widewing said, most in the MA's are no better than you.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by WMLute

Hey WW, I recall that the Niki's accel. is up there.  Top 5 or top 10.  Where is the a5 on accel?

When it comes to comparing acceleration, much depends upon the base speed.

From below 200 mph the Niki has the edge, From 200 to 250 the 190A-5 begins to gain, and from 250 on its all 190 (measured at sea level)

Over all, the Niki offers only average acceleration and shows a marked inferiority to the Ki-84 in acceleration and speed. A 190A-5 would have a much greater problem with the Ki-84 than with the N1K2-J.

Where the 190A-5 gains ground is in a high-speed climb. At just 2k/min, it climbs at significantly higher rate of speed for twice as long. This means that it rapidly pulls away. Eventually, the 190 can level off, build speed, zoom climb and meet the Niki again, either above it or with a significant speed advantage. At this point it becomes a vertical E fight, and the 190 should prevail.

At any time, the 190 can simply split-s and can disengage if need be.

In a straight max sustained climb, the Niki can hang with the 190A-5 up to about 11,000 feet, but only as long as WEP holds out. Which is why I prefer a high-speed climb where the 190 pulls away, while the Niki burns off its WEP trying to keep up.

My regards,

Widewing

[Widewing]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
Just tonight I was in a 190A-8 and engaged a 190D-9 co-alt, co-e.  He decided to turn fight which was his first mistake as the A-8 has the advantage in that engagement but, an enemy N1K decided to join us from an alt advantage.

Keep in mind that the Dora does turn better than the A-8. The A-8 weighs 200 lb more with the four 20mm guns, and 500 lb more with the 30mm guns. Exacerbating this is the Dora's superior horsepower. They share the same wing area too. Clearly pilot skill made the difference in your fight.

My regards,

Widewing

[storch]

I find the A8 to be better turning than the Dora but I generally fly it with the small gun option.  I seem to be much smoother in the A8.  I tend to high speed stall the dora.

[SkyRock]

A-8 has this lil snapstall roll thingy that can be manipulated.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by Widewing
Keep in mind that the Dora does turn better than the A-8. The A-8 weighs 200 lb more with the four 20mm guns, and 500 lb more with the 30mm guns. Exacerbating this is the Dora's superior horsepower. They share the same wing area too. Clearly pilot skill made the difference in your fight.

My regards,

Widewing

I guess I'm going to have to be a little more careful then.  I'll always turn-fight a Dora in an A-8 and can't really remember losing to one.

Wouldn't the extra HP/speed of the Dora increase the turn radius relative to the A-8?  Then, as an offset the A-8's added weight it would give back part of that advantage?

BTW, I always carry the 30mm package (don my buff hunters cap then go kill whatever I find )

[dedalos]

Originally posted by storch
if you want to try this let's meet in the DA you get the N1K and I'll try the A5, just for fun.

OK, say when  You going to drag me to ack or to TB so I can get HOed?