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Offline AquaShrimp

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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2007, 01:41:37 PM »
If she somehow got her right arm in front of her, and her left arm was still behind her, that could put a pressure strong enough for strangulation on her neck.

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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2007, 01:54:47 PM »
Hmmm, wrists behind your back, slide them up, shove your head through your left elbow...

It's the start of a trick used to get out of straight jackets.

With handcuffs, that'd put the chain directly across her throat, and her joints locked into a position where she couldn't get it back off. Left elbow basically stuck on top of your head, and right wrist cranked all the way across your back, with the chain running under your armpit. All it takes is 3 seconds of a blood choke to put somebody unconscious. Most people couldn't tell you the difference though between a choke (cutting off the air) & a strangulation (cutting off the blood).

Under your butt and under your feet is way easier... but I'm not a flight-missing nut case in full panic mode. Had she been rational about the whole thing, and just caught a later flight instead of demanding things... well, this thread wouldn't exist.
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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2007, 02:18:20 PM »
I tried that, I cant bend that way.  besides would it depend on how wide about the cuffs are?  did they use metal cuffs? or the zip tie type?..

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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2007, 02:21:51 PM »
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I tried that, I cant bend that way.  besides would it depend on how wide about the cuffs are?  did they use metal cuffs? or the zip tie type?..


Some can, most can't. I can kinda-sorta do it. Chain length & type matter, but only to a certain extent. If they're long enough to start the move, they're probably long enough to choke yourself with.

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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2007, 02:30:40 PM »
REports down here in Phoenix say she was on her way to rehab in Tucson.  Toxicology will come back w/ some interesting results, I speculate.

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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2007, 02:35:20 PM »
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We are going to find, via the autopsy, that the action of the LEO's had nothing to do with her death, I feel.
I'm sure you're right, I was thinking more along the lines of suggestions for cuffing that further reduce the likelihood of letting idiots find a way to hurt themselves.
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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2007, 03:37:34 PM »
Yeah....TEACH those airport security scum....just up and DIE on their oscar!!

Show THEM who's boss!

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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2007, 04:57:12 PM »
possibly she was chained to floor with handcuffs on...chain was attached to cuffs

eihter way..thsoe security gusy are getn Grilled

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2007, 06:05:21 PM »
She deserved it.
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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2007, 06:10:13 PM »
Why the hell was she still cuffed in a cell. I think one of the Airport secuity got their perverte jollies off on her as she was kinda cute.
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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2007, 06:25:24 PM »
yeah, why was she cuffed and in a cell?  But at least they didn't taze her and have six large officers sit on her when they cuffed her....or did they?

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« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2007, 06:31:03 PM »
Don't taze me, bro!:lol
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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2007, 10:07:32 AM »
Mystery solved...

From CNN article-link for full article below snip.

"In the holding room, there is a bench with an 'eyehook' on it. The officers took a 'shackle,' which is described as a metal chain, approximately 16 inches long, with a large 'handcuff' on each side. The total length of the chain with handcuffs is approximately 24 inches," the statement said.

"One of the handcuffs on the 'shackle' was attached to the 'eyehook' on the bench. The other handcuff of the shackle was attached to the chain of the handcuffs that were already on Ms. Gotbaum's hands.

"So Ms. Gotbaum was handcuffed with her hands behind her back, and additionally those handcuffs were attached to a shackle that kept her attached to the bench."

Gotbaum was not deemed a threat to herself or others, the police statement said. If she had been, she would have been monitored. Phoenix police policy is that prisoners can be left alone in holding rooms as long as they are checked every 15 minutes.

Hill said Thursday that Gotbaum was left alone for six or eight minutes. Police previously had said it was 15 or 20 minutes.

After officers left, Gotbaum continued to scream, the police statement said. However, police checked on her when she fell silent and found her unconscious. Gotbaum was sitting on the floor, with her head on the bench and the handcuffs under her chin, the police report said.

"Initial information ... indicated that Ms. Gotbaum had somehow worked the handcuffs to the front of her body, probably from under her legs, and had pulled the chain from the shackle across her neck area," the statement said.

Officers used cardiopulmonary resuscitation, a defibrillator and other measures in attempts to save her life. In the police report, an officer said that Gotbaum vomited while CPR was being performed on her and that when she did, he could smell alcohol. Firefighters arrived and pronounced Gotbaum dead.



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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2007, 11:21:39 AM »
Another proof that the theory of evolution is valid.
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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2007, 12:31:13 PM »
Fox News Article

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He husband called emergency dispatchers before learning of her death to say she was in a deep depression and suicidal, according to the police report.