Author Topic: Prove global warming is bad, win $125,000.00 (Read 1099 times)

AirFlyer · « **Reply #30 on:** October 03, 2007, 07:29:10 PM »

The answer is obvious, it's our lack of pirates!

Where is my 125 grand?

Mister Fork · « **Reply #31 on:** October 03, 2007, 09:09:55 PM »

The biggest problem in blaming global warming on CO2 is that they're trying to prove global warming with correlation (projection theories and probable cause) , not causation (actual undeniable proof, in which hard evidence and theories align 99.999% of the time).

It's like arriving at the scene of an accident and saying "I think the kid in the Camero may have been going too fast. Look at the skid marks." (correlation)

Vs.

At the scene, with a radar detector. "The dude in the Camero was doing 49.1 mph in a 50mph zone. It was the person in the green honda who clipped him here at this point in the road that caused the accident. See here, his tires were smoking because he was going sideways." (causation)

Is the earth warming? perhaps
Is it man made? depends. we've only been treating meteorology as science for 40 years. lots to learn. lots still we don't know.
Is there anything we can do to stop it? don't think so. see the second answer.
Now what? Look at other more issues, like air toxicity and pollutants from manufacturing and waste.

Maverick · « **Reply #32 on:** October 03, 2007, 09:16:48 PM »

Dowding,

I don't know what your issue is and frankly don't much care. I don't recall having ever shown you my chest and I'm a bit concerned as to why you are interested in it. I believe it says more about you however. Perhaps you should find another interest as I have absolutely no interest in you. I don't go that way, I like women.

FWIW I had no position on the situation regarding your activities, just making a comment regarding the evidentiary comment that had been made.

MORAY37 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 03, 2007, 09:50:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Yknurd
It's okay. We still love.

But MORAY37 might love you more than others will.

Lol.. Don't invite me into you gay pride parade. You still selling those rainbow colored lolipops online?

MORAY37 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 03, 2007, 09:55:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Torque
i've noticed that the incremental shift of wildlife pushing northward has risen to leaps and bounds and same for the migratory routes, also more parasites and diseases in fish and fowl due to higher water temperatures.

it's the big bang theory with wildlife.

I tried this argument before, with the heathens, and it was surprisingly, simply ignored. They can't figure out another way to disprove it, so they conveniently pretend they didn't read it. (Of course the websites they visit, that spout climate change is a farce, don't say a word about this very point, so they don't know what to even say about it.)

There are many species currently moving their ranges to expand into newly warmed areas, which are now suitable to them.

lazs2 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 04, 2007, 08:51:32 AM »

moray.. and this is somehow a bad thing? the earth heating and cooling no matter what causes it is a bad thing? species dieing out and starting up is a bad thing? what we want is some temp that man decides is the ideal and we must fight nature to keep that?

mister fork.. I seldom agree with you but I think you have stated the case very well.. I will also admit that the whole co2 issue is clouding the real issues of real pollution.

I am sure that from that point on.. we will not agree on much tho. I am sure that your and my ideas for solutions would be pretty much at odds with each other.

you are not alone tho... many rabid environmentalists are seeing that the focus of real problems is being diverted by the phony co2 scam.

lazs

Angus · « **Reply #36 on:** October 04, 2007, 09:47:55 AM »

Species dying out is always bad if it is your own Lazs

I'd hate to see that happen due to rabid anti-environmentalists.

Torque · « **Reply #37 on:** October 05, 2007, 02:34:20 AM »

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Originally posted by MORAY37
I tried this argument before, with the heathens, and it was surprisingly, simply ignored. They can't figure out another way to disprove it, so they conveniently pretend they didn't read it. (Of course the websites they visit, that spout climate change is a farce, don't say a word about this very point, so they don't know what to even say about it.)

There are many species currently moving their ranges to expand into newly warmed areas, which are now suitable to them.

it's not an argument just an observation, for me global warming is a positive.

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #38 on:** October 05, 2007, 06:14:29 AM »

Species dying is out is bad for humans. Even if it were totally natural for mass extinctions to happen every so often, that doesn't mean we (as humans) should not fight it.

Just from an agricultural standpoint, we need an ecosystem that is healthy. The ocean still accounts for a large portion of our food. We need flying insects to pollinate our vegetables. South American nut producing trees need an extensive amount of insects and even mammals to be able to produce nuts.

What are we going to do if it gets too hot to grow wheat? Some biologists estimate the Earth's carrying capacity to about about 50 billion humans. Others 30 billion. We better be stretching and conserving our resources as best we can. When we reach that carrying capacity, as one my ecology instructors once said "Things are going to get real ugly".

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 05, 2007, 08:07:22 AM »

Too hot to grow wheat? LOL... food production is up 15% because of increased co2 and temp. We now have 4 crops of hay a year in some areas and they are much better.

global warming, as opossed to an ice age, means slightly warmer summers and slightly milder winters with longer growing seasons. Temps have leveled off for at least the last 7 years.. even gone down in some cases... this of course.. does not fit the co2 disaster scenario.

lazs

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #40 on:** October 05, 2007, 11:25:19 AM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Methane is released from the anaerobic decomposition of human and animal wastes. Methane is currently at 1.5ppm in the atmosphere. It is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than co2.

Wetlands are the source of more than twice the methane of human and animal waste.

Rice cultivation the source of more than the methane of human and animal waste.

Coal mining and Natural Gas is the source of more twice than the methane of human and animal waste.

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Holden McGroin · « **Reply #41 on:** October 05, 2007, 11:34:48 AM »

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Global warming is causing the extinction of many types of coral due to an increase in the temperature of the ocean. I would like my $125,000 now please.

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Science Daily — GAINESVILLE, Fla. --- Global warming and pollution are among the modern-day threats commonly blamed for decline of coral reefs, but new research shows the downfall of those resplendent and diverse signatures of tropical oceans actually may have begun centuries ago.

Sorry...

Angus · « **Reply #42 on:** October 05, 2007, 12:05:54 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Too hot to grow wheat? LOL... food production is up 15% because of increased co2 and temp. We now have 4 crops of hay a year in some areas and they are much better.

global warming, as opossed to an ice age, means slightly warmer summers and slightly milder winters with longer growing seasons. Temps have leveled off for at least the last 7 years.. even gone down in some cases... this of course.. does not fit the co2 disaster scenario.

lazs

Hehe, I live where it is too cold to grow wheat. If it gets hot enough, you probably still won't be able to grow it, since it would be too dry.
There are many places on earth where you will not be able to grow wheat due to exactly that. Too dry, not too hot. Just too dry because it's too hot.
However I can grow Barley.
Increased CO2 actually increases crops. - if it's coming into the effect as a single factor. Greenhouse growers actually use CO2 (from flasks) to increase crops. Up here, where the air is rather clean they can actually save their usage of CO2 when we get the air in from Europe (southern winds), - CO2 ppm is so much more from there than in the arctic air.

As for Lazs:
"Too hot to grow wheat? LOL... food production is up 15% because of increased co2 and temp. We now have 4 crops of hay a year in some areas and they are much better."

AND;

"Temps have leveled off for at least the last 7 years.. even gone down in some cases"

So did it warm up or not? You are claiming increased crops because of the warming, which you then deny.

By the way, "We" have lower crops on dry land due to the warmth, - water expires too fast.

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 05, 2007, 02:52:52 PM »

nooo... I am "claiming" that the co2 levels have increased crop production... it is you who claim increased co2 in the laughable parts per million that is ours is making the planet hotter.

I also "claim" that the GLOBAL temp has not increased for at least 7 years. the biggest spike was of course.. in the 1930's and then one short el nino year in 98.

nothing contradictory about what I said or the data. co2 has increased.. so has crop production... bad thing? of course not.

We have been in a warming period for a about a century with some spikes here and there just like always.. it has nothing to do with man tho. Bad thing? nooo.. not really. no one is being hurt.

Too dry? LOL.. deserts grow crops when you irrigate. Plus... the doomsday man made global warming scenario includes increased precipitation sooo.. you should be good either way.

lazs

Angus · « **Reply #44 on:** October 05, 2007, 06:06:30 PM »

"I also "claim" that the GLOBAL temp has not increased for at least 7 years. the biggest spike was of course.. in the 1930's and then one short el nino year in 98."

You forget 2005 which levels 1998 without the aid of El Nino.
You also forget the massive shrinking of the N polar cap.
You forget the raise of Sl
And you forger the raised temperature of the oceans.

These are all parts of global temperature. The Icecaps alone have more mass than the atmosphere, as well as you have a simple equation for the temp in the atmosphere vs the sea.
760 mm hg is the weight.....calculate that to water.

Have a nice day