UAV shotdown (video)

[Russian]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec6_1191054217

Anyone care to take a guess by what? It seems missile is mounted on a truck and burn time for rocket-motor is around 16 seconds.
Location according to GPS coordinates on screen is http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=30.990278,46.0640967&spn=2.301728,5.141602&z=8&om=1

[Regular]

There is porn on that site.

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by Russian
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec6_1191054217

Anyone care to take a guess by what? It seems missile is mounted on a truck and burn time for rocket-motor is around 16 seconds.
Location according to GPS coordinates on screen is http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=30.990278,46.0640967&spn=2.301728,5.141602&z=8&om=1

Not quite. That UAV is at 22,000 feet. Lets give it a best case scenario of it being an SA-16 igla. You've got a maximum slant range of 5000 meters, and a maximum altitude of 3500 meters. That still brings you a good 7000 feet short and a probability of kill close to 0, even if it has excess energy on the climb.

[Makarov9]

That's one hell of a zoom on that UAV.

[Ack-Ack]

Friggin' UAV warper.  Warped away every time the missile got on the UAV's six.


ack-ack

[Russian]

Originally posted by Wolfala
Not quite. That UAV is at 22,000 feet. Lets give it a best case scenario of it being an SA-16 igla. You've got a maximum slant range of 5000 meters, and a maximum altitude of 3500 meters. That still brings you a good 7000 feet short and a probability of kill close to 0, even if it has excess energy on the climb.

From my quick calculations using web-calculator, range of SAM to UAV is almost 12,000 meters (assuming AGL is near MSL) using 54deg angle displayed oon screen. The motor burned for 16 seconds and missile impact 28 seconds after launch.

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by Russian
From my quick calculations using web-calculator, range of SAM to UAV is almost 12,000 meters (assuming AGL is near MSL) using 54deg angle displayed oon screen. The motor burned for 16 seconds and missile impact 28 seconds after launch.

Dim,


The slant range is written in the lower right of the FLIR. (edit) 12,000 meters toward the end of the vid at zoom out  Thats 7.2 miles slant range without taking the altitude into account. The PK is 0 and there is no shoot down. Additionally, the SA-16 self destructs after 25 seconds. The SA-18 blows up at 15 seconds.

Do a reach back to the case studies of TWA-800 when they were investigating the PK of a MANPAD against a 747 at 16000 feet. The PK was so low because  of the slant range and altitude that it was labeled inconceivable. Now, the UAV  - 7000 feet higher, your telling me that it was hit - when a MANPAD couldn't hit a 747 in a steady climb 7000 feet lower?

Comeon.

[Russian]

Originally posted by Wolfala
Dim,


The slant range is written in the lower right of the FLIR. 4.51 nautical miles. Thats 7200 meters slant range without taking the altitude into account. I studied this **** in college - I am right, you are wrong. The PK is 0 and there is no shoot down.

I'm not arguing who is right or who is wrong. What does it mean - 4.51nm and 54 degree angle?


I assume that angle is off of FLIR camera. Which means 6700meters / (COS 54 deg) =  ~12000 meters.

[Wolfala]

OK, could be a way point its orbiting. When the camera zooms out, it shows 12,000 meters for about 1/2 a sec, in which case the PK is even less then 0 with a doubling of the slant range and altitude problem.

See previous.

[DoctorYO]

the UAV is well within range of most manpads:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/manpads.htm

note most of the ranges listed on GS are unclassified...

Well within range of Iglas etc...  even improved SA-14's could hit a slow < 300mph loitering UAV.


DoctorYo


PS : Im thinking SA-16 or 18 due to burn time...

[Russian]

Originally posted by DoctorYO
the UAV is well within range of most manpads:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/manpads.htm

note most of the ranges listed on GS are unclassified...

Well within range of Iglas etc...  even improved SA-14's could hit a slow < 300mph loitering UAV.


DoctorYo


PS : Im thinking SA-16 or 18 due to burn time...

Both 16 and SA18 self-destruct is no-where near 28 seconds. I'm thinking this is not even an IR missile.

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by DoctorYO
the UAV is well within range of most manpads:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/manpads.htm

note most of the ranges listed on GS are unclassified...

Well within range of Iglas etc...  even improved SA-14's could hit a slow < 300mph loitering UAV.


DoctorYo


PS : Im thinking SA-16 or 18 due to burn time...

I can't find a single missile with a slant range of 12,000 meters and an altitude above 17,000 feet. Highest slant range I can get is 5000 meters and 3500 meters altitude, with the exception of 1 igla varient that can reach 17,000 feet.

[DoctorYO]

Forget slant range...  and other classroom garbage...  
   
Just by eyeballing when the flir zoomed back out:

Its in range...   (fast moving attack aircraft going 400mph+ with escape vector then you start talking effective range)

These weapons go a long way..  Effective range is just that against fast movers..(note unclassified) against slow movers without getting into details it is much greater hence the CIV air threat manpads dictate.

Slow moving thing = no chance...  and considering the angle you keep expressing higher angle is bad for the target, less escape vector.  (thats is unless your in a f15/f22 and just point up and out energy the thing.  UAV does not have that capability.)

Quick exp:

Effective range on a m16a2 is about 550m while the .223 goes a hell of alot farther...  3600m

Draw your own conclusions,  Lucky shot  


DoctorYo

[Russian]

I think it's a SA-19. Specs match...but WTF is it doing in Iraq.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-19.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/sa-19-specs.htm

[john9001]

Originally posted by Russian
...but WTF is it doing in Iraq.
 

gee, i don't know , maybe Iran "misplaced" one of their missiles.