Police chase ends badly..................for the perp.

[RAIDER14]

so at least he would be behind bars:aok

[Mark Luper]

Originally posted by RAIDER14
accidents happen...

There isn't any such thing on the road as an "accident". There are crashes and they are always caused by some human fallicy.

Mark

[Bronk]

Nice way to avoid what I asked. Too bad for that family of four ehh.
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Bronk

[Neubob]

Unless the guy in the car was armed, the force was excessive.

'Tried to ram me?' BS. He tried to get by to escape. Announcing that on the radio put the rest of the cops into kill mode, but what's a little embelishment between friends, right?

The officer who executed the suspect put himself onto the hood of the car--is that something they teach in the academy? To put yourself into a situation where using deadly is the only way out?

Yeah, the suspect was a criminal, but his death could have been avoided. And yeah, I'm telling them how to do their jobs because it's clear that its adrenaline, not training and brains that these guys depended on.

Watching police action such as this makes me pray for the day that somebody either invents a robot to replace them, or find a way to de-active their adrenal glands.

[RAIDER14]

So if its just cuts and scrapes thats ok?

cuts and scrapes  would be acceptable as they would be treated and released from a local hospital.Insurance could cover cost of damage to vehicle

[Jebus]

Originally posted by Mark Luper
There isn't any such thing on the road as an "accident". There are crashes and they are always caused by some human fallicy.

Mark

We are told when we write ambulance reports to call them MVI (motor vehicle Incidents) instead of MVA (motor vehicle accidents) to show what you just said.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Cougar68
[If you start driving off with an officer on your car, expect to be shot./B]

Originally posted by SkyRock
yup!

True but also jumping on the hood of a car that might take off at any moment should be ranked in the top 5 stupid things to do.
Even for a cop

Save that kind of stuff for Mel Gibson and the Leathal Weapon movies

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Bronk
How would you feel if they let him go, then he plowed into a minivan carrying a family of four?


Bronk

For that matter if they had let him go and
If they hadnt continued on chasing him.
there is a good possibility he wouldnt have been traveling at a high rate of speed nor would he plow into a minivan containing a family of 4.
hypothetically speaking

That is the exact reason why alot of places frown upon that kind of chase.

Too many bad thngs can happen.

The driver is at risk, the cops are at risk and the general public is at risk.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Bronk
It's not an accident when fleeing police in a stolen car. There is a criminal charge for it I believe... just can't think of it.
Adult life is going to be very hard for you, if you don't realize there are consequences to actions.

Bronk

Ok question to you.
Is it worth that risk by continuing to chase the stolen car if he is going to try to get away at high speed?

Is getting the bad guy with the stolen car more important then the safety of everyone else on the road?

[Cougar68]

Originally posted by Neubob
Unless the guy in the car was armed, the force was excessive.

'Tried to ram me?' BS. He tried to get by to escape. Announcing that on the radio put the rest of the cops into kill mode, but what's a little embelishment between friends, right?
 

He was armed with a 3500 pound missile.  The car and the way he was driving are way more dangerous than a little handgun.  

It's easy for us to look at sterile dashcam video footage from our computers and judge how the officer reacted.  The difference between intentionally ramming and just trying to get away is only a few degrees of steering input.  The officer was trying to direct his partners to him and still try to maintain the chase.  I'm willing to forgive a few degrees of steering.  That comment definitely did not put the officers in "kill mode."  What brought about the decision to fire was the willingness of the driver to use his vehicle as a deadly weapon.   At that point his time ran out.  

to those that have the courage to put their lives on the line in service of the public day in and day out.  They have stones of steel to put themselves in the position to make the kinds of decisions we'll argue about on bulletin boards.

[Cougar68]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Ok question to you.
Is it worth that risk by continuing to chase the stolen car if he is going to try to get away at high speed?

Is getting the bad guy with the stolen car more important then the safety of everyone else on the road?

Yes it is.  Think what you're saying through.  If the criminals know that the police cannot continue a chase that gets dangerous, what will happen?  They'll make the chase as dangerous as possible so the police have to let them go.  What if it's not a stolen car and it's a guy with a body in the backseat that nobody's noticed yet?  If all he has to do to get away is run a few stop signs and drive really fast what's the point of even having police cars?  

All the officers knew at that point was that the car was stolen.  They had no idea what was inside.  If you take away the officer's abillity to pursue you might as well just sit them on a street corner with a sign that says "hey you! Stop!"  It'll be just about as effective.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Ok question to you.
Is it worth that risk by continuing to chase the stolen car if he is going to try to get away at high speed?

Is getting the bad guy with the stolen car more important then the safety of everyone else on the road?

At 20 minutes after midnight , and what looked to be less than crowded streets , I'd say the chase was ok. But thats just me.

There were things going on outside of that camera.

Perhaps the officer went to the car and tried to apprehend the guy only to have the car drove at him and he couldn't get out of the way so he jumped. I didn't see for sure. If that is what happened then shootiing the person was rough but probably warranted.

It's a tough deal all around. But , I have to go with the officer until proven by eveidence otherwise. If he acted in a vigilante way then by all means he should pay the price. Like I said...lots of things WE don't see.

It's hard to fix stupid.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Cougar68
Yes it is.  Think what you're saying through.  If the criminals know that the police cannot continue a chase that gets dangerous, what will happen?  They'll make the chase as dangerous as possible so the police have to let them go.  What if it's not a stolen car and it's a guy with a body in the backseat that nobody's noticed yet?  If all he has to do to get away is run a few stop signs and drive really fast what's the point of even having police cars?  

All the officers knew at that point was that the car was stolen.  They had no idea what was inside.  If you take away the officer's abillity to pursue you might as well just sit them on a street corner with a sign that says "hey you! Stop!"  It'll be just about as effective.

About 350 people die in the United States every year in car crashes resulting from police pursuits, and one-third of them are innocent bystanders

The study by Fred Rivara and Chris Mack, of Harborview's Injury Prevention and Research Center, was published in the April issue of the journal Injury Prevention.
It examined all traffic fatalities in the nation from 1994 to 2002 and found 2,654 fatal crashes resulting from police pursuits, with 3,146 deaths.
 
Of those deaths, 1,048 were of people who were not in fleeing vehicles — occupants in another vehicle, pedestrians or bicyclists — and 40 were police officers.

I will agree there are times when a chase is necessary.

Im just not sure a stolen car is one of them.
Stolen cars tend to turn up sooner or later.
They can be replaced,
and Insurance pays for a good deal of them

Money cant replace a life.
Put out an APB and keep track of his direction of travel. then close in on him when it places the least amount of risk on everyone.

You say what if he had a body? True but he didnt.
But for that matter hat if he ran a redlight trying ot get away because of the chase and smashed into that minivan and killed the occupants?

Sounds to me your talking more ego then anything else.
A Prolonged chase at high speed is hardly protecting me.


Even at 3:AM I am sometimes on the road.

im not saying dont give chase. But there comes a point in time where its better to break it off for everyones own good. including the cops

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by RedTop
At 20 minutes after midnight , and what looked to be less than crowded streets , I'd say the chase was ok. But thats just me.

There were things going on outside of that camera.

Perhaps the officer went to the car and tried to apprehend the guy only to have the car drove at him and he couldn't get out of the way so he jumped. I didn't see for sure. If that is what happened then shootiing the person was rough but probably warranted.

It's a tough deal all around. But , I have to go with the officer until proven by eveidence otherwise. If he acted in a vigilante way then by all means he should pay the price. Like I said...lots of things WE don't see.

It's hard to fix stupid.

I've been saying that all along.
Im not passing any kind of judgement in this specific case other then maybe jumping on the hood of the car which is incredibly stupid.
But We dont know all the why's and wherefores to that either.

too much we dont see

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Cougar68
He was armed with a 3500 pound missile.  The car and the way he was driving are way more dangerous than a little handgun.  

It's easy for us to look at sterile dashcam video footage from our computers and judge how the officer reacted.  The difference between intentionally ramming and just trying to get away is only a few degrees of steering input.  The officer was trying to direct his partners to him and still try to maintain the chase.  I'm willing to forgive a few degrees of steering.  That comment definitely did not put the officers in "kill mode."  What brought about the decision to fire was the willingness of the driver to use his vehicle as a deadly weapon.   At that point his time ran out.  

to those that have the courage to put their lives on the line in service of the public day in and day out.  They have stones of steel to put themselves in the position to make the kinds of decisions we'll argue about on bulletin boards.

Oh Please, cry my a ****ing river. Those cops had 3 of their own 4000 lb missiles with which to stop the suspect before it was time to start leaping on to hoods.

"Tried to ram me."--yeah that broadcast over the radio did nothing to raise adrenaline levels past the point of rationality.

The driver of the car was a criminal for what he did, and stupid one, but where in the cop's training does it say to jump on the car and open fire? Is that standard operating procedure? Did that move save lives and protect society? The cop made the situation deadly by doing what he did. For himself, primarily, and ultimately, for the suspect he executed.

Just because a man is paid by the state to carry a gun does not make him an automatic hero. There may be heroes among them, but there are also idiots out there whose main cause to join up was some sort of hormonal imbalance or psychological inadequacy. In my life I've seen plenty of both, and I'll save my for the former.... And unless there is something in that video that we did not see, then the guy on the hood is an example of the latter.