Author Topic: 67 Camaro, Scam or Not (Read 409 times)

Airscrew · « **on:** October 04, 2007, 09:52:18 AM »

I ran across this on craigslist yesterday and I forwarded it to my BIL Rodney to see if he was interested. 1967 Camaro RS convertible for $7200. At the same time I emailed the guy for some pics of the car and to see why the price was so low.

this is the reply...

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Hello Ken,

Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Zaragoza, Spain right
now and I have been very busy. Anyway,thank you for your interest in
buying the car. The car is located in US right now and has US papers. Why is the price so low? I am going trough a divorce, and I had to move out
of USA I cannot register the car here, as it is made for USA, according
to USA standards. So all that I want to do now is to sell the car at
this price, because I need to sell it fast (I already made a deposit here
to buy me another). The title is clean and you will have absolutely no
problems to register the car in the States.

I will tell you a few words about the car..

My '67 Chevrolet Camaro SS, it is in immaculate condition with 62171 miles and have the VIN number: 124677n216323, rust free, no scratch and hasn't been involved in any accident.
The motor runs very well.The interior looks great(NO SMOKING). This car
needs nothing,The title is clear, it is not a salvage one.
I want this transaction to go smoothly enough as I am caught in the
middle of some very important events and have little time at my disposal.
I already have tones of emails so I hope you understand that I need to
sort them out. The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident
free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what
so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall
understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened
to me.

Here are all the photos of my car. The pictures are recent, and
they were taken right before preparing the car for sale.
The car is exactly as shown in the pictures: http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?folder_id=1919340

The price is $7,200 USD THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I will not negociate the
price. I will take in consideration only those buyers who are really
interested in buying the car, to be sure that I don't waist my time with
endless discussions.This way,I shall be assured of the serious
intentions. So if you are interested please email me back for next step.

Regards !!
~Bryant Kurt~

It just sounds flaky,
1. He doesnt say where in the US the car is at
2. He's getting a divorce and Had? to move out of the US?
3. could he be military? I dont remember if we have or had US military installations in Zaragoza Spain...
4. Caught in the middle of some very important events?
5. "A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall
understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened
to me. "

It sounds to me like one of those Nigerian scams, to good to be true. This car is probably worth at least $15,000.

I googled the vin and found listings for this car posted for Craigslist in Houston, Austin, Atlanta, Orange County, Philidelphia, Miami, Los Angles, and Las Vegas. All had been flagged for removal...

storch · « **Reply #1 on:** October 04, 2007, 09:59:54 AM »

smells like three day old fish

Airscrew · « **Reply #2 on:** October 04, 2007, 10:02:05 AM »

I also suspect the "I cannot register the car here, as it is made for USA, according to USA standards. "

I registered two US vehicles in Germany no problem, but I never spent anytime in Spain so I dont know if Spain is different... Usually the problem is just the reverse, its difficult and very expensive (but not impossible except for a few models that you just cant bring into the states) to register European spec vehicles in the US

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #3 on:** October 04, 2007, 10:13:10 AM »

He could be a foreigner that got divorced before he got a green card. It does sound fishy, do your homework. I suggest getting the VIN number checked to make sure it's not a stolen car.

If the car is actually guenine, travel to check the car in person, pay/exchange on the spot. No deposit either, if he's that desperate to sell and honest, he will accept.

Did I mentioned it looked fishy?

A car like that would not be on the craig list. It would be sold in a heart beat at a local dealer/autotrader/ebay.

Vipermann · « **Reply #4 on:** October 04, 2007, 10:15:48 AM »

It's a scam. I had the same type of email on a 95 RX7 I wanted to buy. The guy was in Greece and the next step is to wire him money and then he'll tell you where the car is. I told him I'd wire him the money when I saw the car, never heard from him again.

Airscrew · « **Reply #5 on:** October 04, 2007, 10:25:00 AM »

Yea, I thought about that too. I sent him a reply back asking where the car was at, and a copy of the car's registration so I can verify the VIN and run a carfax report. By looking at the pictures I would guess the car is somewhere along the gulf coast, either Texas or Mississippi. The more I think about it the more I'm sure its a scam but now I want to see how far this guy will go...

Ripsnort · « **Reply #6 on:** October 04, 2007, 10:42:59 AM »

It it walks like one, talks like one, smells like one...it usually is a scam.

Oh, and don't fall for this scam like Rabbidrabbit did. He took the bait and found out the hard way that it wasn't real!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10998060@N00/1478911556/

Roscoroo · « **Reply #7 on:** October 04, 2007, 11:50:22 AM »

its a scam .... plus a "Real rs conv " starts at 25-30 k for a beater these days .

mora · « **Reply #8 on:** October 04, 2007, 12:33:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Airscrew
I also suspect the "I cannot register the car here, as it is made for USA, according to USA standards. "

I registered two US vehicles in Germany no problem, but I never spent anytime in Spain so I dont know if Spain is different... Usually the problem is just the reverse, its difficult and very expensive (but not impossible except for a few models that you just cant bring into the states) to register European spec vehicles in the US

Absolutely, I make registration inspections to cars imported from the US on weekly basis at work. There wasn't really any difference about the specs in 1967, only the lights were diffrent between the US and Europe, in the US you have the "DOT" standard and we have the "e" standard. We have probably the most strickest laws and regulations of all of Europe here if Finland. Still you can import a car up to model year 1996 from the US, as long as it's built to your FMVSS-standards. This part smells, but he might have a wrong impression.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2007, 12:36:46 PM »

Run from this as fast as possible. SCAM

BBBB · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2007, 03:27:38 PM »

Breaking the VIN number down on this car makes me wonder a bit. The Vin break down is as followed.

124677n216323

1st digit: GM Line number: Chevrolet = 1
2nd digit: Series number: Camaro = 2
3rd digit: Model/Engine number: V8 (1967-69 with standard interior) = 4
4th & 5th digit: Body Type Number: Convertible (1967-69) = 67
6th digit: Last digit of model year: 1967 = 7
7th digit: Letter indicating assembly plant: Norwood, Ohio = N
8th through 12th digits: Sequential production number starting with 100001

That last part is where it doesn't make any sense for one he has one too many digits. The VIN for this series of Camaro peaks at 12 digits. The VIN he supplied you with has 13. Whats more it has a 2 in there which is way out of place.

I will tell you that you are going to have a tough time trying to run this VIN number. Carfax and most other VIN data systems want a 17 digit VIN number. In 1981 all cars sold in the US had to have at least 17 digit code. The system was streamlined and the old shorter VIN system like the one above went to the way side.

I doubt this is the real deal. I have seen 1967 Camaro verts go for around 7K but they needed some work. If you are looking for a car like this I would limit it to E-bay. There are no checks and balances on Craigslist. If I can find a lonely 30 something BBW who really likes to dress up like a clown seeking the same, then it is most likely not the best place to buy a car from.

Check out Ebays listing.
http://motors.search.ebay.com/1967-Camaro-Convertable_Cars-Trucks_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfbfmtZ1QQfromZR40QQsabfmtsZ1QQsacatZ6001QQsamcmZ6001QQsascsZ1

-Spot

Gunslinger · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2007, 03:45:26 PM »

A friend I used to work with fell for the same type of scam. it was for a GSXR 750 the guy was in europe and the bike was at his parents house in florida...yada yada yada.

He got suckered and sent the money after he got some bogus UPS papers saying the bike was in some type of COD shippment.

He was made to feel like what can go wrong as UPS was shipping the bike and had it in their possesion but would not complete the shipping until the money was wired. He wired the money and never heard from the guy again. UPS said they don't do those types of third party things and the papers he got were bogus.

Author Topic: 67 Camaro, Scam or Not (Read 409 times)

storch