Author Topic: Just a thought here.. (Read 1345 times)

crockett · « **on:** October 06, 2007, 06:12:31 PM »

I know I can't be the only one that's getting tired of what the MA's have to offer these days. What I'm talking about is the typical attitude in the MA's in regards to fights and the lack of respect most players have for the actual fight.

Meaning in the MA's, it tends to end up with you either being part of the gang bang, or you getting gang banged. I know there are guys that are here because they want to fight and not have to worry about the guy running off to his 5 buddies. Better yet, not have guys from your own team interrupting your fight when you didn't want them too.

In short I mean having a place to go that you know there are certain rules of engagement set forth for the "respect" of the fight and to give "respect" to those fighting.

I wanted to toss up a idea.

I was wondering if others would be interested and if so, would we be able to have a regular night in the Special Arena or maybe even in the AvA arena for good quality fights with players that agree to follow certain rules of engagement. My opinion would be this would need to be done on a two team basis to make sure there is always a fight.

This is what I was thinking of as kind of a starting point on the topic. To see what others can add or agree with.

1) Cold first merge rule (meaning no HO merges after that anything goes)

2) No more than two cons on a single target at a time. This means wing man tactics can be used, but keeps the fight from turning into a gang bang.

3) You have to ask if another player wants help prior to jumping in his fight, unless the con is putting you at risk.

4) No alt restrictions, your fight is up to you and how you fight it. If you want to TnB or BnZ it's up to you as long as you are following rule number 2 and 3.

5) Plane is your choice (possible limit of only 10 and up ENY) Personally I'd rather not have to limit the plane set, but I'd love to not have to fight LA7's and Spit16's all the time. I'd hope the quality of pilots something like this would attract would weed those kinds of planes out naturally.

6) No base raiding or vulch fests, just guys that want some good fights that the MA seems to be lacking.

I wouldn't want to go to crazy with rules, mainly just some basic stuff to ensure that there was a good fighting environment for everyone. That and most of all a place where "the fight" is respected and kills are earned.

I'm just tossing this out there to see if any others would be interested. I don't mind organizing it, if other players would get involved. The overall goal would be to make a place that other players can see what good fights are. Then maybe in time that additude would spill into the MA's.

I'm not sure what it takes to be able to hold special events or who is aloud to host them. So if others are interrested maybe we could get something going starting out with one night a week for a few hours and see what happens from there.

Dichotomy · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2007, 06:42:07 PM »

That's pretty much the common understanding of the 'gentlemens rules' in the AVA right now. Not everybody follows them all of the time but I'd be willing to bet if you went in there regularly you'd find these kinds of fights more often than not. I may be in there later.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2007, 06:50:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Dichotomy
That's pretty much the common understanding of the 'gentlemens rules' in the AVA right now. Not everybody follows them all of the time but I'd be willing to bet if you went in there regularly you'd find these kinds of fights more often than not.

Agreed. Come, enjoy.

- oldman (wonder how long before the AvA trashers start posting to this thread?)

storch · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:00:17 PM »

or you can up a difficult ride (my choice is now the 190A5) and good look for zeros N1Ks La7s and spits to kill. don't exceed 12k in altitude and don't follow the horde. be prepared to lay K/D and all othet means of measure aside though

BaldEagl · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:44:42 PM »

That's why I normally avoid the hoards/furballs. I fly where there is little dar bar seeking out those one on ones and one on twos (which, in part, helps kill my K/H ratio).

While gentlemans rules don't always apply (plenty of people try to HO me, even with numerically superior odds) I usually find decent fights. In fact, I had a few in a row a few nights ago. Also, sometimes my very presence draws a hoard of (evidently desperate for a kill) uppers while I'm engaged.

Of course, maps make a big difference as to whether or not these engagements can be found. It's difficult on the maps that funnel into choke points.

E25280 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:55:19 PM »

The attitude is rare, but not absent in the MAs (my encounter with Rogent and a couple others last night come to mind).

Some may be put off by the limited plane set in the AvA, but it is a good time IMO.

That being said, it really sounds like you are looking for a DA type atmosphere. And there just so happens to be a "furball area" there.

Just a thought.

Flint · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2007, 08:02:19 PM »

Sounds like AH1

REP0MAN · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2007, 08:35:01 PM »

http://www.ahevents.org

crockett · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2007, 03:33:21 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
or you can up a difficult ride (my choice is now the 190A5) and good look for zeros N1Ks La7s and spits to kill. don't exceed 12k in altitude and don't follow the horde. be prepared to lay K/D and all othet means of measure aside though

What does that do, other that make your self a target for a ganging? I up old rides all the time, in fact I've been upping Hurri 1's often this tour (my oddball plane of the month). Hell man the tour before last I was flying 110's 90% of the time in fights. I always pick some odd ball ride to fly each tour. What is the response of the players from the other teams? They all try to horde you, because they think you will be a easy kill.

The other day I was at TT in a Hurri 1, was almost no one at TT so I ended up close to the enemy base, trying to find a fight. I found my first target fought a min or so, next thing u know number 2 has joined in. I ended up killing number two and was also still fighting number 1 target. He died, but before I could get out of there I was ganged by 5 guys all chasing a Hurri 1 including the first two guys I had already killed.

So of course I end up dieing but I did manage to stay alive for a good amount of time and had rounds in just about all of them. Sure it was kinda fun, but sure would have been nice to be able to have gone home and landed two hard fought kills in a Hurri 1.

Hell personally if I had fought a guy in a crappy plane like that and he won, I would have him and told him to go land his kills. I wouldn't have come back in a LA7 to run him down.

Then just yesterday I'm in a Hurri 2 (granted a hurri 2 isn't a bad ride). I end up killing 4 guys again at a enemy base, with a few pretty good fights. I was down to roughly 32 rounds of ammo with two shot out cannons. So in effect I was pretty much defenseless.

I tried to get out of there wasn't a ton of cons there pretty much just 3 guys. I'm trying to leave with no cons close to me, but I see two Nikki's in one in the air one just upping. I'm low and slow and the first one catches me as I'm trying to retreat. I do a few turns and kill number 5 with the last few rounds I have, with a lucky shot to his cockpit.

Now Nikki number 2 wasn't real close but now he was turning to me. I'm low and slow with no ammo at all left so I typed out on 200 that was good fights but I'm bingo and trying to go home. Nikki number two continues to run me down even after saying I was bingo on ammo a second time. Of course with pretty much no defense I get killed.

It was a well known player from the MA, so I sent him a PM asking him why he couldn't just let me fly home and land my kills. His response was "that's your problem, you lost".

That right there sums up the crap attitude in the current MA's and the total lack of respect the average player has for "the fight" or other players. Which is IMO really hurts the enjoyability of this game a hell of a lot. Hence the reason I'd like to see something get started for at least 1 night a week.

crockett · « **Reply #9 on:** October 07, 2007, 03:42:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Dichotomy
That's pretty much the common understanding of the 'gentlemens rules' in the AVA right now. Not everybody follows them all of the time but I'd be willing to bet if you went in there regularly you'd find these kinds of fights more often than not. I may be in there later.

I've tried looking for fights in the AvA, however I tend to never see anyone in there.

I'd love to see something like this take place on a scheduled time each week in the AvA. I think if other players knew there was a time and a place they could find good fights, it would bring in more players. Rather than just hoping to find a few guys there with no scheduled event.

I think it would also maybe bring a bigger player base to that arena.

crockett · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2007, 03:51:10 AM »

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Originally posted by REP0MAN
http://www.ahevents.org

I don't fly in all the events, but none of them are really what I'm talking about. I started flying in the racing series a few weeks ago and I'm having fun with that.

KOTH is about the only thing close but it's not what I'm after. I don't like flying the same plane everyone else is, as I want a surprise and to fight my planes ability against what ever I happen to come across.

The snap shots are ok, but again not really what Im' talking about. However they do seem to be a fun diffrent pace I just always seem to forget about them.

The sererios are ok I was in "Der Grosse Schlag" today, but again it's not the kinda fighting I'd want on a weekly basis. It's a bit too slow pace for me to want to do all the time.

crockett · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2007, 04:03:04 AM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl
That's why I normally avoid the hoards/furballs. I fly where there is little dar bar seeking out those one on ones and one on twos (which, in part, helps kill my K/H ratio).

While gentlemans rules don't always apply (plenty of people try to HO me, even with numerically superior odds) I usually find decent fights. In fact, I had a few in a row a few nights ago. Also, sometimes my very presence draws a hoard of (evidently desperate for a kill) uppers while I'm engaged.

Of course, maps make a big difference as to whether or not these engagements can be found. It's difficult on the maps that funnel into choke points.

I try to do the same, I hate flying in furballs as I want to fight the guy I'm fighting. I don't want 5 of my own team jumping in or vice versa. However sometimes that's the only place you can find a fight.

When I do try to fly the outskirts of a furball, that's when I tend to get ganged on the most.

So my thought is, I know there are others out there that are also looking for "real" fights. So why can't we put together some weekly event for guys that are looking for this kind of action?

storch · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2007, 04:55:54 AM »

last night I upped a 110 from a capped field and went furballing I never got above 2k against the weaklings in the seafires. I died every fight but I bet I killed 4 times the number of my deaths. what that accomplishes is improve my skills (such as they are) I consider it training.

lengro · « **Reply #13 on:** October 07, 2007, 05:02:45 AM »

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Originally posted by E25280
That being said, it really sounds like you are looking for a DA type atmosphere. And there just so happens to be a "furball area" there.

I've been to the furball area several times where its just a mess - 262's and 163's up there high diving in on the 1vs1 fights.

Other days furball area is great though.

crockett · « **Reply #14 on:** October 07, 2007, 05:37:27 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
last night I upped a 110 from a capped field and went furballing I never got above 2k against the weaklings in the seafires. I died every fight but I bet I killed 4 times the number of my deaths. what that accomplishes is improve my skills (such as they are) I consider it training.

I do, and have done the same many times. That's not really the point here. You can pick up a **** and play with it if you like, but in the end no matter how fun it is you are still playing with a ****.