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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2007, 09:14:34 PM »
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Really? You mean these armed atrocities like Wisconsin, VA Tech, Columbine etc etc. are happening in other countries too, with the same regularity? I'm trying to think of one. Um... Iraq maybe, and maybe other cases where democracy has been dropped from an aircraft at 40,000ft but the parachute failed to deploy.

Yes.
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2007, 09:31:29 PM »
beetle just can't resist a gun thread. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2007, 09:37:33 PM »
I guess this will reinforce the existing data that Concealed Carry License holders have a lower violent crime rate than the police that are here to protect you.
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2007, 02:12:07 AM »
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Originally posted by Ocean27
Really? You mean these armed atrocities like Wisconsin, VA Tech, Columbine etc etc. are happening in other countries too, with the same regularity? I'm trying to think of one. Um... Iraq maybe, and maybe other cases where democracy has been dropped from an aircraft at 40,000ft but the parachute failed to deploy.


I assume a professional troll like yourself has access to all the news about all
the countries of the world and their firearm problems.  I'm sure Sierra Leone
and Darfur have never had a problem that we haven't heard about.

Of course equating homicide with military action also indicates you aren't the
sharpest tool in the drawer either.
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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2007, 02:15:58 AM »
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I guess this will reinforce the existing data that Concealed Carry License holders have a lower violent crime rate than the police that are here to protect you.


In NJ, it's virtually impossible to get a carry permit unless your job specifically
requires that you be armed.  Some rediculous number like 1500 permits issued
for a population of over 8,700,000.  Not sure how we rate on the crime-o-meter,
but I'm sure it's not great.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2007, 07:31:10 AM »
Looks like he had an AR-15.
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2007, 09:09:00 AM »
ocean27 is beetle.....?

what was his point anyway?  seemed sort of drunkard in his response...seems like he could definately use some mom love :rolleyes:
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2007, 09:29:49 AM »
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Really? You mean these armed atrocities like Wisconsin, VA Tech, Columbine etc etc. are happening in other countries too, with the same regularity? I'm trying to think of one. Um... Iraq maybe, and maybe other cases where democracy has been dropped from an aircraft at 40,000ft but the parachute failed to deploy.


Well, the funny thing is a guy can burn a family of 5 to death with arson, like happened in rural Illinois some months back, and it barely makes the news. I'm not sure it even made page one in the Chicago dailies. Yet, in our country of 300 million people where such non criminal-on-criminal firearm deaths are exceedingly rare every time there is an event it's a 24/7 a media circus.

You can add up all of these headline generating events, VT, this guy...Was the Amish event this year...no, but lets add it anyway. You still end up with fewer people killed by the "deranged gunman" than you have killed by lightning. The chance of any non gagbanger or wanna be being killed by a firearm in the US is notably less than getting killed by a receptionist with a few too many jello shots after happy hour.

We get roughly a Virginia tech every three days, and roughly two of this type of event every day (from a death and suffering standpoint) due to underage drinking. Where's the outrage?

In any case, this involved a police officer, and most countries let the police use firearms. Usually not much of a problem except when it's only the police that have guns. Khmer Rouge, Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, etc. But there it was more a domestic policy issue than a lone nutjob in a population of 300 million where it you turned off the news the vast majority of Americans would not know there is even a "gun violence " problem since there is not one.

In fact, you could take away the money from the Joyce Foundation and a few elites like Soros and you would virtually eliminate the gun control movement, which is big on dollars but really, really small on grass roots interest. Most people don't care that much because, well, it's not a real issue for most people.

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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2007, 09:31:33 AM »
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ocean27 is beetle.....?

what was his point anyway?  seemed sort of drunkard in his response...seems like he could definately use some mom love :rolleyes:


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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2007, 01:00:22 PM »
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I guess this will reinforce the existing data that Concealed Carry License holders have a lower violent crime rate than the police that are here to protect you.


If everyone carried would we even need police?
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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2007, 01:22:57 PM »
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If everyone carried would we even need police?


They didn't need police in the good ol' wild west..
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2007, 01:28:42 PM »
nope.....if you were caught stealing a mans horse your life pretty much ended at the snap of a rope.  Brutal, but that type of justice served a valuable role.
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2007, 01:30:53 PM »
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If everyone carried would we even need police?


People fail to see the difference between Police and Carrying.  There is a huge difference.


Police are a Punitive measure.  They are only there to catch and punish those who break the law.

The Citizens are a preventative measure.  The citizens can be there to stop crime, or even prevent it by their own presence.



As hard as the liberals will try, Police can never truly be a preventative measure.
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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2007, 01:32:19 PM »
Just goes to show, be careful how you deal with people, there is always the possibility they could become enraged and kill you.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/10/09/2007-10-09_wisconsin_cop_snapped_after_being_called-1.html
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2007, 02:38:03 PM »
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Just goes to show, be careful how you deal with people, there is always the possibility they could become enraged and kill you.

Love is the answer

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/10/09/2007-10-09_wisconsin_cop_snapped_after_being_called-1.html


This explains a-lot:
"Police acknowledged yesterday that Peterson had received no psychological screening before he was hired".. no psych screen? That, to me, is just about criminal negligence on the Departments part.

Doesn't Wisconsin have a POST that mandates these things?

Tests like the MMPI combined with logic / IQ combined with a psych interview do a decent job weeding out those non-hackers that don't pack the head gear.