Author Topic: Glacier Girl (Read 3135 times)

Golfer · « **Reply #15 on:** October 10, 2007, 11:12:55 AM »

Who would boast about having a bunch of MU-2's anyway?

Argh back on topic me thread hijacking matees, arrrrrrgh...

Glacier Girl is an amazing aircraft to watch fly and even more impressive up close seeing the attention to detail that went into making it as beautiful as it is. The before and after pictures never cease to impress!

BBBB · « **Reply #16 on:** October 10, 2007, 12:23:45 PM »

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Originally posted by DmdJJ
BTW I think you better go check to see if those MU-2's are still there, because they aren't. Epps lost the federal reserve contract and the last flight was the end of May.
I know the Epps family, very well. So well in fact that the man signs my paycheck. I have been there for 15 years so I think I know just a little of whats going on with him and his company, more so than you. If you want to talk facts, so be it. But gossip not based in fact does not belong here. Nuff said

You are right. Lounge gossip does not belong here. I work off Corsair drive. So it has been awhile since I have been over to that side of PDK. At any rate check you PMs. Since it seems we work at the same airport maybe we could head over to the Downwind and grab a bite sometime.

-Sp0t

Bodhi · « **Reply #17 on:** October 11, 2007, 01:36:13 AM »

The bottom line remains that there are two parties that have not even remotely been considered in your discussions. They are both the Governing Peoples of Greenland and Denmark. Sadly both entities have been ignored, scorned and looked passed in this hunt for history. Both entities / nation's rights have never been seen through as was promised by the original contracts.

I would be surprised if Greenland Denmark ever let any of us (Americans) ever set foot on that ice shelf short of a government grant, especially after all the lies, subterfuge, and out right BS that was slung around after that recovery.

BBBB · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2007, 05:05:54 AM »

That is a good point. If a team were to go back over there from the US, we could always get some funding from Canada, add a few Canuks on the team and maybe slip in under the radar. My view on the whole subject is that, those aircraft belong to the tax payers of the United States. All we did was go over there and claim some of our property.

Now I am not 100% certain what all went on between Greenland and us during that whole deal, but it seems a bit silly for Greenland wanting us to pay them to re-claim some of our property.

-Spot

kennyhayes · « **Reply #19 on:** October 11, 2007, 05:55:04 AM »

SAW THAT AT coloumbus AIRSHOW

Bodhi · « **Reply #20 on:** October 12, 2007, 12:27:11 AM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
That is a good point. If a team were to go back over there from the US, we could always get some funding from Canada, add a few Canuks on the team and maybe slip in under the radar. My view on the whole subject is that, those aircraft belong to the tax payers of the United States. All we did was go over there and claim some of our property.

Now I am not 100% certain what all went on between Greenland and us during that whole deal, but it seems a bit silly for Greenland wanting us to pay them to re-claim some of our property.

-Spot

It transcends levels that mere compensation for accessing a site are considered moot. The issues go back to agreements signed prior to our involvement in World War 2. The bottom line is that we (the US) made agreements that we did not follow through with. We (the US) did this (break agreements) routinely with nations / nation states that we (the US) deemed unlikely to ever matter.

Now, the ironic thing is that we (the US) get peeved when were not allowed to get a "novelty" when that nation / nation state asks that a compensation agreement gets fulfilled....

Imagine?!?

Wolfala · « **Reply #21 on:** October 12, 2007, 02:13:38 AM »

Bodhi,

For the historically challenged, what were the terms of the agreement and back dealing that occurred during the recovery?

Wolf

Bodhi · « **Reply #22 on:** October 12, 2007, 09:43:15 AM »

In Greenland's case, specific issues regarding their own rule and such are rather huge issues for those people. They were under Danish rule prior to WW2, but after the invasion by the Germans, they came under US rule. After the war, contrary to all our assurances otherwise, they were returned to Danish rule instead of being given autonomy. It is incidental that they are self governing now as they are still considered a Danish territory.

Furthermore, the levels of economic aid that were promised post war never came. It is the same all over the Pacific. With the exception of the Phillipines, we broke all promises we made to guarantee basing rights. It is no wonder that the native people of those areas hate us. In some cases, we never even cleaned up bomb dispersal sights or we left massive amounts of hazardous waste to poison the land of these people.

Now we ***** and whine over not being able to get back something that they (the people of these places who live in squalor) consider to be nothing more than novelty items that only a rediculously rich nation like America can afford.

The Greenland issue also includes some very specific contractual issues that were not fulfilled. Specifically the return of an aircraft to the Danes. Imagine how the people of Greenland feel. It is their land and their property in that ice shelf.

2chance · « **Reply #23 on:** October 13, 2007, 03:34:01 PM »

i only live 15 minutes away from where glacier girl was redone...Roy Shoffner was a fomer employer of mine many y/rs ago

Tac · « **Reply #24 on:** October 13, 2007, 07:42:18 PM »

I remember seeing the P-38 bodhi was working on when he lived here in Orlando and a 190 (was it an A8 or a D9 i forge) almost side by side frenchy. And the 190 is not that big of a plane.

The 38 barely looked any bigger than the 190. The one thing that gave it the impression of being bigger was the props on either side and the plane being taller due to the landing gear.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 15, 2007, 05:12:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
In Greenland's case, specific issues regarding their own rule and such are rather huge issues for those people. They were under Danish rule prior to WW2, but after the invasion by the Germans, they came under US rule. After the war, contrary to all our assurances otherwise, they were returned to Danish rule instead of being given autonomy. It is incidental that they are self governing now as they are still considered a Danish territory.

Furthermore, the levels of economic aid that were promised post war never came. It is the same all over the Pacific. With the exception of the Phillipines, we broke all promises we made to guarantee basing rights. It is no wonder that the native people of those areas hate us. In some cases, we never even cleaned up bomb dispersal sights or we left massive amounts of hazardous waste to poison the land of these people.

Now we ***** and whine over not being able to get back something that they (the people of these places who live in squalor) consider to be nothing more than novelty items that only a rediculously rich nation like America can afford.

The Greenland issue also includes some very specific contractual issues that were not fulfilled. Specifically the return of an aircraft to the Danes. Imagine how the people of Greenland feel. It is their land and their property in that ice shelf.

So part of the contract was they give one of two(I have a book on the recovery, but its been years since I read it, I thought they have planned t get atleast 2 but cost overuns and the melting down to them took to long?) recovered P-38s to Greenland?

Bodhi · « **Reply #26 on:** October 15, 2007, 06:39:18 PM »

There were plans to return an aircraft to Denmark in return for their cooperation in the endeavor.

Saxman · « **Reply #27 on:** October 15, 2007, 09:08:13 PM »

Well they've only been ABLE to pull the one out so far.

Angus · « **Reply #28 on:** October 16, 2007, 04:46:23 AM »

BTW, it was Icelandic equip that spotted them. At the time, a unique Ice-scanner I belive. They were some 70 m. down in the Ice.
BTW, Iceland was grabbed by the British at the same day as the Germans rolled into the Netherlands. (The news sent Hitler into a towering rage hehe

) Anyway, the USA took over before they had a war with Germany. In 1944, while Denmark was a Germany occupied "boss" of Iceland, Iceland declared independence.
The Danish are still pissed off, and claim they would have let us go. But they still hold on to Greenland and the Faroe Islands.....

Well, you have an opportunity, - use it.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #29 on:** October 16, 2007, 09:37:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Tac
I remember seeing the P-38 bodhi was working on when he lived here in Orlando and a 190 (was it an A8 or a D9 i forge) almost side by side frenchy. And the 190 is not that big of a plane.

The 38 barely looked any bigger than the 190. The one thing that gave it the impression of being bigger was the props on either side and the plane being taller due to the landing gear.

Are you sure? Definitly not the impression that I had.

FW190 A8 @ 34ft 5.5in

P38 @ 52ft . 0 in

Almost 20 feet wingspan difference. Where you at anyway P38 dweeb ... haven't seen you terrorize the skies for a couple of years