Author Topic: Cheap ammo? (Read 1437 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #45 on:** October 13, 2007, 02:02:43 PM »

Man sized target... Father hit 98 out of 100 from a PM at 25m.

TT on a man-sized target at 50m is hmmm... statistics. Tokarev has moving barrel. Remember what I said about tolerances? Same Browning's classic automatic, but produced here.

Made some search, first Nagants were produced in Tula in 1897, on the equipment specially bought in Germany and US.

BTW, what really amazed me was a guy at a shooting-range in California shooting a revolver at 100m (!!!) at a target 30x30cm. And he hit it at least once at every three shots!...

OK, going to a pub for some more beer. Lazs, I'll translate this discussion for Father and some Russian gun forum.

lazs2 · « **Reply #46 on:** October 13, 2007, 02:27:51 PM »

boroda.. I don't know if you believe me but I can hit a man sized target at 100 yards every single time with most of my handguns...

My 44 mag will shoot 1" + groups at 25 yards and I have speedloaders for it... that does not mean I think it is a great service gun.

Again.. russians that were issued nagants did not weld em up or tune em or... single action shoot em with while lining up them tiny little sights... most russians issued that firearm had never even fired a handgun before they were given it.

It is laughably easy for me to hit a man sized target at 50 yards with any handgun I own including my makarov and PPK.

I know you don't know much about firearms but... all semi autos that are not strict blowback action (low powered) have a barrel and that moves to some extent... even the luger and P38 that look like they don't... do. If you didn't have some sort of delayed unlocking then high powered rounds would blow the slide right into your face as the gun exploded.

This does not mean that such guns are not accurate. My Kimber easily shoots 1.5 or so inch groups at 25 yards. The makarov is straight blowback tho...

lazs

texasmom · « **Reply #47 on:** October 13, 2007, 02:34:53 PM »

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boroda.. I don't know if you believe me but I can hit a man sized target at 100 yards every single time with most of my handguns...
lazs

Christ Boroda, even I can hit a man-sized target with a handgun at 100 yards.

Russian · « **Reply #48 on:** October 13, 2007, 06:57:54 PM »

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It is laughably easy for me to hit a man sized target at 50 yards with any handgun I own including my makarov and PPK.

ROFLOL. I'd like to see that. Especially that little monster I fired. Or Mak / PMM since I recall you didn't shoot too greatly using my Mak.

Btw, Nagant was selected by Tsar regime, not using soviet ideology.

Boroda · « **Reply #49 on:** October 13, 2007, 10:52:14 PM »

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ROFLOL. I'd like to see that. Especially that little monster I fired. Or Mak / PMM since I recall you didn't shoot too greatly using my Mak.

Btw, Nagant was selected by Tsar regime, not using soviet ideology.

Dima, just tell us if you need to pull 20 American pounds, that's over 9 kilograms, to shoot your Nagant self-cocking.

I hope Father remembers all this things, so if you'll call him via Sipnet - he'll give you some hints about your revolver.

Now we have at least two Nagant owners here, you and Estel, so we can prove that comrade Lazs is not quite right.

Boroda · « **Reply #50 on:** October 13, 2007, 11:22:26 PM »

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Christ Boroda, even I can hit a man-sized target with a handgun at 100 yards.

From how many shots?

Oh sorry lady. I just can't argue with You.

One of my classmates moved to Texas, made some money there, got married, a kid, and - moved back to Moscow when his wife was pregnant with his second child. I have never seen a happier family. He still misses his arsenal he had in Houston.

Russian · « **Reply #51 on:** October 13, 2007, 11:24:51 PM »

I see our drinking conversation left realms of icq

Boroda · « **Reply #52 on:** October 13, 2007, 11:37:21 PM »

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I see our drinking conversation left realms of icq

Drunken?! Who's drinking? Just beer.

texasmom · « **Reply #53 on:** October 13, 2007, 11:54:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
From how many shots?
Oh sorry lady. I just can't argue with You.
One of my classmates moved to Texas, made some money there, got married, a kid, and - moved back to Moscow when his wife was pregnant with his second child. I have never seen a happier family. He still misses his arsenal he had in Houston.

Just takes one well placed shot.

How exciting for your classmate! It's wonderful to see happy families. We're a happy family here as well, but we don't have an arsenal.

My husband did some recreational shooting in the past, but it's one of those old civil war replica guns. And I don't do any recreational shooting at all. Only shooting I did was in the army ~ but I was a crack shot *wink*

Boroda · « **Reply #54 on:** October 14, 2007, 12:28:25 AM »

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Just takes one well placed shot.

Out of how many?

I am still single, still haven't met any texan/cossack woman, or just a woman who can cook better then I do

I only spent one year in a rifleing team. Also shot Margolin two times a week.

Pardon me, but I doubt that anyone can shoot a man-sized target from a first shot at 100m without blind luck. Maybe our targets are not the same size. And I'll place my bet on a Nagant, not at an automatic. Certainly if it wouldn't be Lazs with rusty 9kg trigger shooting from self-cocking.

I am well aware that target shooting is much different from real-life shooting. A target never shoots back. Father always told me that if he can hit 90 out of 100 - he'll probably never hit anything in combat. He went to the Navy in 1943, and served in Engineering corps until 87. Shooting was always his hobby. Now he's 80 and his hand is still steady.

Toad · « **Reply #55 on:** October 14, 2007, 01:12:01 AM »

http://www.handgunsmag.com/tactics_training/shot_022305/index1.html

texasmom · « **Reply #56 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:23:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Out of how many?

Out of just one.

lazs2 · « **Reply #57 on:** October 14, 2007, 09:44:11 AM »

russian... we never fired anything at 50 and 100 yards nor did we fire my PPK...

I still tell the story of you being the only one to want to fire the 340 PD with full house .357 loads. Can' t believe you put a half a box through that thing.

boroda.. read the link that toad shows... it is childs play to hit a man sized target at 100 yards with any American or your-0-peean handgun of any quality.

I have shot untold thousands of rounds at targets of undetermined range from 75-400 yards with handguns... It is not that much harder to hit something at 100 yards than it is at 50 yards.. The sights are the limitation not the guns or ammo... unless it is puny nagant stuff of course.

I was a very good shot.. now.. decent... I used to fire about 2,000 rounds a month.. now... maybe 200 or so. I have always liked to plink at long range tho... thus.. 44 mag. great for 200 yard or so shots. If you know where your gun shoots then it is not difficult to hit a man sized target at 100 yards... if you can't then the sights are probly too far off or you are so bad at it that you wouldn't hit anything at 25 yards.

lazs

Boroda · « **Reply #58 on:** October 14, 2007, 01:17:20 PM »

I quit.

I don't argue with ladies who shoot a squirrel in the eye.

I give reasons for choosing this special kind of gun, people answer me with silly "personal experience" with broken revolvers. And no one can fight some myths about a gun that can't kill because recoil doesn't break your wrist. Consumer mentality is when people don't think how the things work and then their soldiers get killed while trying to get an empty brass out of an automatic rifle with a cleaning rod.

Toad · « **Reply #59 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:03:11 PM »

Let's see... weren't the Iraqis armed with the exceptional AK while our troops were stuck with M-16 derivatives during GW1 and GW2?

How'd those work out again?