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Offline BlueJ1

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« on: October 11, 2007, 12:36:41 AM »
Im surprised this didnt show up on here. Another school shooting. So far the only death was the 14! year old shooter.

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A 14-year-old gunman opened fire at a Cleveland high school, wounding four people before turning a gun on himself, officials said. It was only after students ran past screaming "Oh my God!" that one student realized he'd been shot. Police said some victims may have been specifically targeted.
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2007, 07:27:37 AM »
Yep,
A lot of time they do get passed on. I am one of the “Armed Citizens”, but I’ll bite. First where did he get the guns? If he got them from a gun store then that gun store\owner (shooter under 18) needs to go to jail. If he got the guns from friends, they needs to go to jail, if he got the guns from his family (dad ect) that person needs to go to jail. You cannot give a minor a handgun with out that minor being supervised and with an adult.

Lets all watch who they punish for getting him the guns. He is dead, from what I read, so he has already been punished. But all thing being equal, me 22 years in the Air force, 8 years with federal law enforcement and now a private citizen, will be blamed for the children being shot because I SHOOT CLAY PIGONS ON F’en SUNDAY. Who will be the first politician or zealot to start blaming me?

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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 07:34:16 AM »
I don't live that far from Cleaveand, heard about this on the radio yesterday. :/

I just graduated this last year.  High School that is, and this is a bit worriesome.  I wish I had more info on it.  Any good links to info on it?  Or is to the point where it's happened and people are still not sure what really happened?  

Ie. Getting the Info to do stuff?

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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2007, 08:40:25 AM »
Yeah... make sure that everyone in a spot is unarmed and unable to defend themselves and then announce it to the world.

Would you put a sign on your lawn saying that "there are no guns in this home" ?

I keep waiting for all the nut job stories about shootings at pistol ranges and police stations and such.

Seems where people are armed.. and the nutters know it.. there are less shootings or... at least.. someone shoots them before they can slaughter.

schools with their no gun policies are a nutjob magnet.   nutjobs are cowards and they want to kill as many as possible... where better than where our own government makes us helpless.

The alternative of course is.... metal detectors and armed police at every school... LOTS of armed police... not as good as concealled carry of course cause... the nutters know where they are so you need ten times as many.

yep.. that's the solution... disarm the citizen and then put one cop for every 3 or three citizens and...search everyone.

well worth it tho if it stops a few nuts from shooting every year right ladies?

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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2007, 09:47:01 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/11/cleveland.shooting/index.html

"Coon had been charged with domestic violence and had attempted suicide while in the seventh grade, The Plain Dealer newspaper reported, citing court and Department of Children and Family Services records."

"Coon was arrested last year in a domestic violence incident, McGrath said, and police had been to his home before for incidents that involved weapons."

This is a 14 year-old.  Students are describing him as "odd".  It sounds more like a nutjob.  I think we are just lucky that he didn't know anything about explosives.

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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2007, 11:10:32 AM »
Vast majority of guns are used in stopping criminals


"Society is Safer when Criminals don't Know Who's Armed"

Remember that little sissy here who used to beat his girl because he was too limp wrist'ed to beat a man?  

Ocean says week after week after week?...What a clueless dolt

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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007, 12:59:02 PM »
There will always be those poor low dejetced miserable souls that volunteer to suffer greatly for the atrocities of all humanity, allowing the rest of us to get on with our day.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2007, 01:10:49 PM »
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Why talk about random, highly rare events that the media will cover with hours of talking heads and dire emotion for the next week? I mean, you can burn a family to death with a can of gasoline and it barely makes page 1 of state's main urban newspapers for a day (if that) but if one gangbanger pops another gangbanger it's "save the children."

Or take the Petit case, where an unarmed man was beaten to within an inch of his life, and was helpless while his wife and two daughters were raped and eventually murdered. http://www.courttv.com/news/2007/0807/komisarjevsy_ctv.html No "armed citizen" stuff from the media there. Want to protect your family? Plant cactus in your window boxes :aok

One more time:

1. Firearm legislation has been found to have no positive impact on crime according to the CDC (hardly a "pro gun" organization). Since criminals don't obey the law, such regulation only impacts legal, responsible gun owners. The  rate of crime where legal gun owners is involved, is minimal.

2. Most crimes are criminal on criminal, and even in areas like the UK with a full ban the criminals are managing to smuggle in and acquire firearms in a growing state of increased firearm crime. Apparently even this punk acquired his firearms (a common .38 revolver and a .22)  beyond the regulation of the law. Just like I'm sure a bunch of students in the same school sell and use illegal drugs that are banned in all states and in some cases like cocaine -- not even produced in the US. Yeah, bans really do work.

3 Mad gunman shootings are rare -- very rare. Lightning strike rare, though the publicity they receive would suggest blood in the streets on a daily basis.

4. Where is the call for "sensible" freedom of speech laws? Mad gunman crime simply didn't exist before the television age. The Texas bell tower guy was the first notable one in the 1960s, but then he had a brain tumor. Then came Columbine, and the media circus, and now you get the occasional sociopath that decides to go out with a media splash. Cho even sent his own press kit to NBC. Of course, sensible restrictions to the 1st is not a hot button issue for the MSM. For background, it was once not uncommon for students to bring guns to school to work on in shop class, or during hunting season or as part of marksmanship courses. No one though twice about it. What's changed? Certainly not the gun part of the deal.

5. Where's the outrage over all the children killed by alcohol? Every now and then you get 5 or so killed in one DUI pop, or a bad week with 2-3 major incidents and there's some media play -- but nobody much cares. And we have nearly a Columbine a week of our youth killed in alcohol deaths. I guess too many of us like to have a drink or two and feel punishing those who are irresponsible is enough.

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2007, 02:10:42 PM »
“SuccessTech, a small magnet school for gifted and troubled students”

Why on earth would you put gifted and troubled students together in the same school?  Or does gifted mean "special"?  Judging by the grammar from the students in the CNN article, I'm leaning toward special.

Anyway, the real story here is not about guns but about a kid who was the product of being put through the system.  I'm guessing his home life probably didn't help much either.  When he snapped, had he not gotten a gun, he would have gone berserk with a sword or a machete and probably done about the same amount of damage.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2007, 02:21:51 PM »
Stupid kid.... lousy parents.

Kid dead.  Fix parents (so they can't have any more)
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2007, 02:27:19 PM »
no "ocean"... one law for everyone..

use alcohol badly and get punished... use a firearm badly and get punished...  not..  if one person uses either of them badly.... everyone gets their human rights revolked.

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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2007, 03:12:23 PM »
Here's an example of media hysteria in action. It's so sad, it's almost funny. Now remember, the "arsenal" the police laid out in front of the cameras is mainly airsoft. But then why lay out toys to begin with. Kinda makes it appear to be a big bad bust that way, I suppose. Justify you existence, etc.

Apparently the media already started to run with it, but are trying to figure out how to back peddle and how to still work the evil guns angle when the guns are airsoft. Watch the obvious confusion. Watch the mom's 9mm semi-auto turn into an "assault-like weapon " (scary! scary! evil! evil!) . Note that no ammo was in the house (presumedly for the one 9mm) but it sure sounds like no airsfot bbs were found too -- PRAISE JESUS! :)

Hours later, even "Shep" over at Faux News was using the word arsenal on this story (which, frankly would be better referenced as an armory in any case).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8004316/

My god! Guns are just so out of control! A 14 year old can own his own arsenal (of airsoft)! Hysteria. If it bleeds it leads, or even if it looks like it might potentially bleed maybe if, well, something happened and there were bullets and the arsenal was real and...

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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2007, 03:59:59 PM »
Oh,

Here's the CNN/AP coverage of the non event. Ridiculousness highlighted.

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PLYMOUTH MEETING, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A home-schooled teenager who felt bullied amassed a cache of guns, knives and hand grenades and tried to recruit another boy for a possible school attack, authorities said Thursday.

The 14-year-old was taken into custody after police searched his bedroom in a Philadelphia suburb on Wednesday evening. He had talked about mounting a Columbine-type attack at Plymouth Whitemarsh High School, authorities said.

The weapons included a 9mm assault rifle [only if you use a very liberal use of the term] that the teenager's mother had recently bought for him, Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce L. Castor Jr. said. Prosecutors are reviewing her actions.

Police also found about 30 air-powered guns, [bb guns - could put an eye out with those] plus swords, knives, hand grenades , [really? plastic bottles with black powder and a fuse that other reports say were not functional] a bomb-making book,[that's illegal?] videos of the 1999 Columbine attack in Colorado and violence-filled notebooks, Castor said. The weapons were plainly visible in the boy's bedroom, Castor said.

The search did not turn up any ammunition for the most dangerous firearm in the bunch, the assault rifle. [The ONLY firearm in the bunch, a hi-point carbine that does not fit the true definition of assault rifle] Authorities said one grenade was operable and three others were still being assembled.

"I do not think an attack was imminent and I am not certain that an attack was going to occur at all," Castor said at a news conference. "It could have simply been big talking by a kid who thought that he was bullied previously and he was going to exact his revenge." [oh...]

The teen previously attended middle school in the district but had been taught at home for more than a year after voluntarily leaving school, Castor said.

Plymouth Township police searched the home after getting a tip Wednesday from a high school student and his father.

The teen was charged as a juvenile with solicitation to commit terror and other counts and was being held at a youth facility. It was not immediately clear whether he had a lawyer. [what, no firearm violations for the bb guns?]

Castor declined to name the suspect's parents and said he did not think they had retained lawyers.

"They are now under investigation by us, concerning whether there's any complicity in putting the weapon [at least it's singular now] in this boy's hands," Castor said.

The arrest came the same day a 14-year-old in Ohio opened fire at his Cleveland high school, wounding four before killing himself.

Classes were held as usual Thursday at the Pennsylvania high school.


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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2007, 04:04:43 PM »
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you shouldnt punish the whole group for the actions of a few.
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what, one law for some, another law for others?




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no "ocean"... one law for everyone..

use alcohol badly and get punished... use a firearm badly and get punished...  not..  if one person uses either of them badly.... everyone gets their human rights revolked.

lazs



exactly im not saying people who brake the law shouldnt be punished..im saying people that do not brake the law should not be punished
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2007, 04:09:24 PM »
Can we use the old "Guns don't kill people, people do" saying?

You take away guns, nutter will stab you, you take away knives, he will hit you int he head with a hammer, you take away hamemrs, he will break a branch off a tree and club you to death, cut down all the trees, he can always beat you with a boot, outlaw boots, he can punch you to death, cut off his hands, I guess he can bite you to death, pull out his teeth... now he's stuck on gov't assisstance cause he has no hands and no teeth, he will just drain your tax dollar to death.  No way to beat the nutjobs.

Maybe we should mandate gov't birthcontrol and make people take a test proving they are competent and can afford to raise their children.  It might weed out some of the nutjobs, and will help reduce your taxes at the same time.  It's a win-win