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Offline Hien

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« on: October 13, 2007, 05:28:44 PM »
Did a search for it, found out a few things.  Wanted to run em' past y'all, see how much I missed and/or took wrong.

Now, given its basic slow/underpoweredness I like to climb it to about 15,000 feet.  I believe that's it's sweet spot for speed, and a little lower with WEP shoots your speed up some more.  But it's still not alot of speed.  It's not winning any awards.  Especially in the LW Arena.

Now, from what I see, staying at 15k also gives me the advantage of not co-alt or lower than most of the late war monsters that'll make you look like a trashcan with wings when piloted right.  Mind, it's not 100% safe, since alot of fighters get better at alt. and most everything can outclimb you.  Because of this I drain my fuel tanks in a certain order, I usually take about 75%-100% (100% if I feel like roaming around some, thinking about dropping it and just going to cruise settings) and the Drop Tank.  But, I drain the 'Main' Tank first then switch back to Auto.  Would it be better to drain the 'Fuselage' one first?  Would this increase any preformance at all for either one?  

Now, I'm not much of one for accuracy, and Convergance. (Though I understand it, I have yet to find my 'sweet spot.'  I blame the Yak-9U)  And I'm probably gonna go offline practicing for a while.  To see where it feels the best.

From what I've read I've seen mixed answers on the flaps.  Don't use them, only use them when you have to.  Now, the only time I've found them fairly useful was a nose low turn to help get the nose around faster (And thusly lose less of your precious altitude), yet to have the chance to really see if they can pull you around a loop faster though.   Though for the nose low turn I find that the weight can help you keep up your speed.  Which is true of most aircraft last I checked (Unless we got a DH-2, yo)

I've noticed that if you try to duke it out with most aircraft co-alt you will not win (and if you did, they probably messed up), this is making me rethink how to attack alot of things.  Fighters for instance, if below me I will let them come to me.  I figure if it took me 7+ Minutes to get to alt. it's not a great idea to blow it and go down to thier level, perhaps wasting Energy and even ammo.  Is this about the right thing to do?

Bombers on the other hand, I've had a fair bit of problems with.  I do find that using the sun was useful.  Atleast once.  But I can't always garuntee it being behind me, so I was wondering.  Is bouncing from higher alt still a good way to attack Bombers in the P-40E?  Come in from a funny angle that keeps most of thier guns unable to hit you, keep moving up/down and left/right to make the gunners work for it.  Since the P-40 is kinda slow and if you don't get up enough speed in the dive they might (and have, for me) tear you apart.

One of the things I've yet to find out is WEP time, I believe it's 5 minutes, but I'm not sure about it.  I don't use it very often though, cause I don't really need it much.  Since if I'm in trouble, it's usually fairly deep trouble.  The only time I've found it really useful is when diving on a bomber to help reduce time in thier guns.  When might be a good time to use it against Fighters?  I'm thinking to help get over a loop if you got too slow (But then, I think if you looped slow you might as well be a dead man.)

One of the other things I'm wondering about is its 'toughness' I remember hearing once that like most American Aircraft it's fairly durable.  And from what I've seen it is.  Just depends on what's shooting you.  I'm wondering if it's safe (ish) to allow a snapshot from time to time against the less cannon armed things.  I know better than to give a 190A-8 a Snapshot, because that's not a snap, that's me catching fire and dieing.  I'm more wondering how safe it is to let something like a spitfire (Hispanos don't like me, but I find that they don't like most things they hit) or any of the normal American Aircraft armed with the standard 6 50cals, not the P-47 though, only so crazy.

Any other tips from you better P-40 sticks?  Or just, better sticks in general?  

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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2007, 07:09:50 PM »
4 guys to look out for in regard to P40e tips and tricks:

Cars, Filth, SASKid or Dedalos. there are many more but these 4 are certainly very good in it.

in my cack-handed attempts to fly p40E i have found it is a one hit wonder.

you will beat any plane in the game if you do it in the first 20 seconds. often purely from the factor of them thinking p40 is an easy kill and making a poor attack or falling prone to imediate tactical error. if you let them take control and work a proper fight against you then it wont go so well in any prolonged engagement.

the P40E has a few prime targets that it stands more chance against than others fighter. i rekon that low end 109s and KI-61 fighters are ammoung the most enjoyable for a p40e to fight with.

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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2007, 07:43:38 PM »
SAS and Ded have both handed me my lunch in the P-40. I'm working on it but so far still have my training wheels on. It's a much more capable plane then your giving it credit for but to really make it shine you need to hit the sweet spot. This is a very tough plane for me to find the edge with. If I can keep it a bit fast I'm OK...but once it gets close to stall it makes me a bit ham handed. I have a clip of SAS thumping me somewhere I can post....

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Offline Hien

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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2007, 07:53:23 PM »
That'd be greatly appreciated Humble.

I'm finding it to be very decent.  Not good, not bad, decent.  I had a fight with a 190 about 20 minutes ago, co-altish, neither of us landed any hits.  Sadly.  Chased him for about 10 minutes he hit one of my allies, and went home, I was running low on fuel by then to, so I did the same.

Either way, I'm having alot of fun in it.  Every now and then I run into people who I'm betting think it's just a trashcan.  But it'll bite you if you're not careful around it.  Be it in the cockpit or in its sights.  Slowly getting used to the stalls, just trying to be more careful.

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2007, 01:59:26 AM »
"i rekon that low end 109s and KI-61 fighters are ammoung the most enjoyable for a p40e to fight with"


Low end 109's are BALLIN!

P40 doesn't stand a chance.

But for what it's worth, p40 is a better performer than most people think. My advice is this: treat it like a corsair, get the flaps out as soon as you can because you do not have an advantage anywhere else. Chances are, when most people see you turning and about to get into a guns solution, they will flip out, reverse and give you an easy shot.

p40E turns surprisingly well with full flaps. Use that to surprise people. As a more advanced tactic, use the dive characteristics of the p40e to neutralize the E advantage of any bogey that is attacking you from above.

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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2007, 04:03:57 AM »
I will add that use flaps for short periods, only for maneuvering, i.e. do not expect them to help you in a sustained turnfight (too much drag, too little horsepower). You will need to work flaps in this plane.:)

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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2007, 12:06:05 PM »
I find that when flying the P40 people underestimate the plane's capabilities by a lot, which you can use to your advantage. It's always those good E fighters that can get to you. For as we all know a P40 cannot hide the E it never had. So I recommend you learn how to E fight on the disadvantage; I.E. High Con trying to BnZ you to death. Once you figure out how to turn the tables on such a con its all a cakewalk from there and then you should be killing in no time.

          As for riding the stall horn, I find I use lots of rudder input just to hold the plane up. But when I am performing a low speed scissors or something of the sort I will purposely snap stall one wing to help roll. Which once perfected can really help. But most of all it just takes practice.


Edit: The flaps on the p40 are its lifeline. When knifefighting a hurricane or spitfire or something of the sort. It is best to not turn with them. Unless, they are turning at a higher rate of speed than you. Although this is a one shot deal it works sometimes. I will dump my E with flaps and such and for a shot period of time I will be able to turn inside my enemy which if I shoot them down its great. If I don't I will not continue to turn with them unless I perform a yoyo or vertical maneuver of some sort of extend and try to re merge if possible.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2007, 12:09:26 PM by SAS_KID »
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2007, 01:43:00 PM »
Here are the P-40 clips I have with SAS....

1st is the P-40 "duel" and I use the term loosely....basically a oscar whupping{mine:confused: }. The film title says it all, this is why you film. I thought I was doing OK during the fight, thought I "blew it" after the fight and once I looked at the film realized I was never even in the fight:furious .

I need a Timex

This clip is P-40 me vs 109 (SAS). I'm all over the place and behind the plane all the way (I think SAS is struggling a bit with the 109 as well).

P40vs109

Here is me bouncing SAS P-40 to P-40...

P40 bounce

Here is SAS returning the favor in a 109...

P40 bounced

P-40 takes alot of "local knowledge" as well as good fundemental ACM...

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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2007, 01:57:45 PM »
Those fights were so fun if I say so myself. Win or Lose against you I had a blast and a great learning experience.
Quote from: hitech on Today at 09:27:26 AM
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