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Offline SgtPappy

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« on: October 16, 2007, 11:19:22 PM »
Just can't wait for the Hellcat to have its model remade into AHII standards...
no more instability problems.

But while HTC is away working hard on it, it'd be good to have the F4U-1 slightly remodeled. It doesn't have the wing spoiler and should be more unstable than the F4U-1A and subsequent models.

Also, I'm not sure if it had much effect but I heard the F4U-1 had wooden ailerons with fabric skinning. Maybe that made a difference with the metal ones utilized by subsequent Hogs.
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Offline Scca

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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2007, 07:40:06 AM »
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Just can't wait for the Hellcat to have its model remade into AHII standards...
no more instability problems.

But while HTC is away working hard on it, it'd be good to have the F4U-1 slightly remodeled. It doesn't have the wing spoiler and should be more unstable than the F4U-1A and subsequent models.

Also, I'm not sure if it had much effect but I heard the F4U-1 had wooden ailerons with fabric skinning. Maybe that made a difference with the metal ones utilized by subsequent Hogs.
I too like the F6F.  It's a fantastic bombing platform.  One-thousand pound bombs make easy work of a tank and the rockets are helpful for everything else.  It turns well but I wish it was a little faster. I fly it a lot and haven't had any instability issues.  Could you expand on this?

Given that the internet is what it is, this site F4U proclaims that all F4U's had fabric covered ailerons until the F4U-5.
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2007, 08:22:12 AM »
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Also, I'm not sure if it had much effect but I heard the F4U-1 had wooden ailerons with fabric skinning. Maybe that made a difference with the metal ones utilized by subsequent Hogs.


I'm not entirely sure on this, but I believe that all the wartime corsairs including the -4 had some fabric covering part of the wing and control surfaces. Maybe someone like Bodhi could shed some more light on this.
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Offline Saxman

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2007, 11:36:36 AM »
Correct. F4Us didn't get all metal covering on the wings until the -5.
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2007, 02:14:54 PM »
Gotcha. Thanks.

Scca,

The way it is now, the F6F seems to feel a lot more unstable than any of the Corsairs. It seems to have that high speed/high AoA stall more often thatn the Corsair... but that's just me. I remember reading about it in one of the threads though. Some of WW's info backs that up.
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2007, 07:20:47 AM »
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Gotcha. Thanks.

Scca,

The way it is now, the F6F seems to feel a lot more unstable than any of the Corsairs. It seems to have that high speed/high AoA stall more often thatn the Corsair... but that's just me. I remember reading about it in one of the threads though. Some of WW's info backs that up.
Ah, I see..  I have been spending a lot of time in the F6F, mostly for the JABO role, which has treated me fairly well.

When the situation requires, I have also been forced into an A2A fight.  I just don't know why they won't leave me to bomb the GV's???  Anyhow, I have had MUCH better luck in the F6F than I ever have had in an F4U especially when slow.  I have had trouble in the F4U with the one wing dropping when low and slow creating an unrecoverable spin.  With the F6F, I have had the same thing happen, but it recovers quickly for me.  

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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2007, 08:31:26 AM »
Being the CO of VF-31 Tomcatters, i would love to see the Hellcat redone.  The Hellcat is our front line fighter and our guys love the plane to death.  Really looking forward to getting it all reworked!!
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Offline Clifra Jones

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2007, 11:48:44 AM »
It probably won't happen due to the whining about how most hellcat pilots didn't fly this loadout, but I would love to see the 20MM option as a perked ride. It was an option from Grumman but US pilots preferred the 50 cals.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2007, 03:33:25 PM »
My understanding was that they preferred the 20mm, but teething problems with the US-built Hispanos kept them from being produced in sufficient numbers
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Offline AirFlyer

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2007, 10:43:28 PM »
I'm all up for the Hellcat being re-modeld, right beside the zero. That way my shiny new plane can shoot down yours in style into our big blue cartoon sea. :D
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2007, 12:13:41 AM »
F6F is just fine. Only need to fix the dang glass tail.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2007, 11:40:02 AM »
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My understanding was that they preferred the 20mm, but teething problems with the US-built Hispanos kept them from being produced in sufficient numbers


Teething?
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2007, 01:58:25 PM »
US-built Hispanos had reliability problems. Jams mostly, I think.
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2007, 02:28:57 PM »
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Teething?
If wikipedia can be considered a reliable source, it says US made Hispano's were poopy  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano-Suiza_HS.404
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2007, 08:07:05 PM »
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F6F is just fine. Only need to fix the dang glass tail.


Well, it does suffer a roll axis instability at high AoA, especially with flaps. In comparison, under the same circumstances, the F4Us are rock steady. Inverse to the historical reality.

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