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Offline dedalos

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Where is the History?
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2007, 01:38:28 PM »
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Originally posted by toonces3
I don't want historical as in 5 hour missions with 5 minutes of fun.

Want I want is a 'historical sandbox' which we have in AvA, and isn't broke, it just isn't utilized by the vast majority of players.

Why is that?  I have no true idea, and don't want to discuss it here (do we really need another thread discussing why nobody plays in the AvA?).  I'll leave it as:



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Most folks would prefer the MA sandbox to the historical sandbox.

Everyday we log on to AH2 and vote as to how we want to see the game community develop based upon which arena we log into.  That is overwhelmingly LW MA.

The history is there, it's simply not preferred for any number of individual reasons.


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It really is that simple.  People do what they want, as they should be :D
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Re: Re: Where is the History?
« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2007, 03:14:56 PM »
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In the first frame of my last scenario I found myself low on fuel and far far away from the field, I HAD to get my AR243 back to base, we had a limit and they were our scouts
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When I finnaly got the big beautiful bird down, I had less than a minute of fuel left....


Heh!  I remember that one, and your screenshot of your E6B once stopped on the runway. :aok

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Where is the History?
« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2007, 03:27:57 PM »
Toonces...

No discussion. A simple statement of fact. If it was fun to be there...people would be there.
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Re: Re: Re: Where is the History?
« Reply #63 on: October 17, 2007, 07:35:41 PM »
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Heh!  I remember that one, and your screenshot of your E6B once stopped on the runway. :aok


The most fun i ever had with out firing a single shot :)


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Where is the History?
« Reply #64 on: October 17, 2007, 10:15:40 PM »
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Toonces...

No discussion. A simple statement of fact. If it was fun to be there...people would be there.

Reasonable minds can disagree.  Most of the people who comment don't say that it isn't fun.  They say that the numbers aren't there, or their friends aren't there, or their favorite plane isn't there.  The ones who complain that "it isn't fun" typically also say something like, "hey, I can get this same crap in the MA."  Then they prance off to the MA, where they get the same crap, but they also get the numbers, the friends and the favorite plane.

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Where is the History?
« Reply #65 on: October 17, 2007, 10:27:00 PM »
Oldman...

I can't disagree, since I am only speaking of my experiences. I will say that it's, generally, been the same as the MA with shorter icon/radar ranges and occasionally, some other 'twist'. The 'features' are the problem for me. At different times, I have spent time in the AvA and most of it was spent either chasing sector counters trying to find anyone to fight or being ganged by some squad looking for a historical experience. I love the idea of plane sets being historical and rotating with the maps. I just don't care for the 'feast/famine' aspect of action.

My real point is that for what ever reason, the AvA has only been able to draw a small number of players. Perhaps, changing some of those features would stir up some interest.
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Re: Where is the History?
« Reply #66 on: October 18, 2007, 01:12:34 AM »
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This is the second online subscription Second World War in the air game that I’ve been a part of. I’ve enjoyed them both very much, but there is still much room for improvement. The problems I have had with both online games is the fact that there is no motivation to act in a historic manner.

I’ve always wanted to see historic mission profiles and combats as a result of missions, not find and fight furballs. I guess I just don’t understand the logic of these arenas. Why not play quake if all you want to do is jump in and start shooting. These games have so much more potential. Why not have a European map that represents spring 1944 in the air, make bases un-cappable and score points for bombs delivered on target. Make the bomber mission the focus of this ToD, maybe people will actually have to plan something, arrange escorts, fuel loads and map routes! The Luftwaffe side would have to use their air controllers to vector their interceptors to the raids. You would still get massive furballs, but you would get them for the right reasons.

You could include the 9th air force with their medium bombers and ground attack aircraft. You could even make it so there can be an invasion and ground capable bases after June 6th. Why can’t we design the plane sets to develop over time with improved models coming into service at certain dates.

Is no one interested in this kind of play? I think it is the most rewarding play you can have. Separating the machines from the methods is a mistake. I Guarantee that people will remember a historic bomber raid much more than the next furball at 500 feet.

In a former game I planned and lead a historic mission based on the 97th bomb groups first B-17 raid on occupied Europe. We flew a historic mission profile to Rouen and it took a couple of hours to complete, but it was totally intense and very much had the “you are there” feeling. About 5 miles from the IP turn we got jumped by a few 190’s and 109’s who were making slashing attacks and using good tactics. We lost a few bombers and got 1 fighter and maybe damaged another, but our forts brought us home missing some parts and guns. This mission is 100 times more memorable then when I upped for a furball and got a bunch of kills and landed 5 minutes later.

So I challenge you all, where is the history?

Regards,
VonKost


Gonna answer this one again.

There are lots of squads that are based on WW2 squadrons.  My squad is the 80th FS Headhunters.  We fly 38s like they did.  If we ever get the 39 we'll take those up like the 80th did.  There are 80th skins in the game because the skinners were kind enough to do them based on info I supplied so when we go up we can wing in 80th FS marked aircraft be it the G J or L.

All it takes is going up with a wingman or a flight of 4 and the history is there.  Generally we'll find N1Ks, Zekes, Ki-84s first if we can just cause it fits for a PTO based 38 squad to shoot Japanese planes.

On SAPP nights we tend to pick a theme based on history.  D-Day night, 9th AF night, PTO night or whatever, where we go after planes that fit for that time.

It's up to you whether you want to find the history.

This would be an example of me finding the history in the MA :)


This one too
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