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« Reply #90 on: October 17, 2007, 02:59:52 PM »
charon.. I did not know that.   can you link me to the article on the bills arnie signed?

I would ask you tho... do you think the commie that was running against him would have not signed them?   I can't imagine arnie being overall worse than the guy he beat in anything.

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« Reply #91 on: October 17, 2007, 04:08:13 PM »
Here are some links:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=309077
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=309659
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264884
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=3260

From Brady:

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Gov. Schwarzenegger Signs Landmark Legislation to Solve Gun Crimes
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10-13-2007

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Sacramento, CA – Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law cutting-edge legislation that will provide police with an important new tool in solving gun crimes and apprehending armed criminals and gang members.  AB 1471 passed both the Assembly last spring and the State Senate last month.
 
“We applaud Gov. Schwarzenegger for taking a bold step to solve gun murders in California.  This ground-breaking law gives police officers a powerful tool to apprehend armed criminals and gang members before they strike again,” said Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke.  “The Governor has set a new national standard for the rest of the country to follow.”

The Crime Gun Identification Act will require that all new models of semi-automatic handguns sold in the State of California starting in 2010 be equipped with technology to allow police to match bullet casings found at a crime scene to the handgun that fired the bullets. This technology, known as "microstamping," consists of engraving microscopic characters representing the make, model and serial number of a handgun onto its firing pin and other internal surfaces. These characters transfer onto the bullet shell casing when the handgun is fired.  In instances of drive-by shootings, where the only evidence at the crime scene may be a casing from a fired bullet, law enforcement will be able to quickly obtain a critical lead.

Assemblyman Mike Feuer (D-42), a former Los Angeles City Councilmember who recognizes that law enforcement needs more tools to combat gang violence, was the author of the bill.  It was supported by the California Police Chiefs Association, the Orange County Chiefs’ and Sheriff’s Association, the Peace Officers Research Association of California (PORAC), and the Los Angeles Police Protective League, in addition to 65 police chiefs and sheriffs throughout the state.
 
Kay Holmen, the President of the California Brady Campaign Chapters, said, "Nearly half of all crimes go unsolved in our state. Microstamping technology will provide our police officers with solid leads for finding armed criminals before they do more harm.  This new law will allow our police to trace the crime gun---without the gun.”


My worry, is that we will see this "sensible" crime fighting bill ported to Ill now, Mass most certainly and perhaps federally under Uncle Teddy. All it is is a back door pseudo ban an semi autos or a drive up the price measure. A file will eliminate a microstamp, fouling eliminates the ability to read a stamping much of the time, a revolver leaves no shell casings, a criminal can go to a range and pick up spent brass to scatter at the scene of a crime, etc. http://www.physorg.com/news97430920.html

Adds cost and complexity, forces mfgs to make tough choices on the Calif market -- a back door semi auto pistol ban. And the Govenator had to have known this. Some interesting issues related to reloading as well...

I agree. He's likely no worse than the Democrat. But, he's certainly no better. End result the same. That's why letting the party know (state or fed) that their choices are unacceptable is important. If not, some day soon there will be no real difference beyond spin and playing on the memory of what each party used to stand for. And just how conservative is Arnie on other issues in Calif? I don't personally know, honest question.

BTW, your point about the SC Justices is a critical one. I'm not so sure Rudy would be THAT different from Hillery though. A very moderate slight conservative at best, IMO. But the only real argument for me for the "lesser of two evils" thing this election.

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« Reply #92 on: October 18, 2007, 09:23:38 AM »
thanks..  oh.. arnie did sign a bill that protects gun owners in an emergency from having their guns confiscated like in the katrina mess..

this is fairly important.

I still believe that if the commie had gotten in that 10 times more gun legeslation would have gone to him to sign by our totally democrat dominated legislators...

and.. he would have signed every one.

Would we be better with more of a republican than arnie?  sure... would we be better with the commie instead of arnie?  not even close.   arnie tried a whold slew of conservative measures when he started and they were shot down.... slaughtered.. by kalifornia voters... I would say that in kalifornia... we get the government we deserve.   not arnies fault compared to the voters.

as for hillary.... don't you believe it.. she would nominate the worst judges in history... simply look at her record as the woman behind the man... they fired every federal judge and put in the worst judges the world has ever seen...

Tell me charon... what has changed?  why would she have a change of heart?

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« Reply #93 on: October 18, 2007, 10:49:03 AM »
What chowderheads; microstamping, what a laugh. I'm sure there will be numerous ways to bypass/invalidate that one.
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« Reply #94 on: October 18, 2007, 11:37:59 AM »
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Tell me charon... what has changed? why would she have a change of heart?


I doubt very little. Though I do believe she will waffle quickly if any of her pet projects face strong resistance. She has those core values, I'm sure, but then I'm equally sure she values her personal power and reelectability even more. Of course, the same can likely be said for Rudy, though I think there is more long term potential for Rudy to have a bipartisan approach to things like "sensible gun control."

Still, the big issue is that the republican party is heading down a very similar trail -- a bit slower, but more similar than different for the likely end result. I'm not sure they will change their course unless the voters show then that they have to change their course.

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What chowderheads; microstamping, what a laugh. I'm sure there will be numerous ways to bypass/invalidate that one.


I'm sure this will also be an issue we will now have to face here in Illinois. It worked in California, so lets try to slam it through here since the AWB has failed to make it over the top. I believe Mass is a foregone conclusion, and Teddy is apparently looking for a national push. By the time it's realized to be an obvious joke (by those without the common sense mechanical knowledge to realize that today) it will be entrenched.

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« Reply #95 on: October 18, 2007, 12:59:45 PM »
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What chowderheads; microstamping, what a laugh. I'm sure there will be numerous ways to bypass/invalidate that one.


Yep think sand paper not to mention what about simply buying another pin and putting it in the gun.
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« Reply #96 on: October 18, 2007, 01:03:51 PM »
They will just make you fill out a 4473 to buy a new pin.

If you read Wiki, they list the pros/cons; criminals will be able to defeat this with about 5 mintues of effort. Of course, you'll have the dumb shirts that will not bypass the system; one tenth of one percent of those might even get caught because of this.

But hey... don't let that stop the government from wasting bajillions of OPM
(other people's money). The important thing is to pretend that you are doing something.
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« Reply #97 on: October 18, 2007, 01:20:36 PM »
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The important thing is to pretend that you are doing something.


ain't that the truth.

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« Reply #98 on: October 18, 2007, 02:39:32 PM »
I imagine it will be like the old law that made people sign for ammunition...  for decades we did it... the stores dutifully collected the data and.....

Not one...yep, not even one crime was ever solved with it.

so they dropped it.

This law is more about the democrats in power wanting to put another roadblock in the way of gun ownership.. to add another layer of expense and bother.   If they can turn even one guy off from buying a gun then it is worth it to them.

Democrats are behind every abhorrent gun law these days charon... how can you not see it?

The most we can hope for is that a sympathetic supreme court will roll back all the unconstitutional gun laws on the books

Who do you want appointing the next supreme court justices?

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« Reply #99 on: October 18, 2007, 02:41:36 PM »
I think I'd really like Ron Paul to pick the next nine justices.

He's probably the only pol in DC that has actually read the entire Constitution and probably more than once.
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« Reply #100 on: October 18, 2007, 03:02:54 PM »
as would I toad but...  we are not going to get that chance.

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« Reply #101 on: October 18, 2007, 03:07:27 PM »
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Democrats are behind every abhorrent gun law these days charon... how can you not see it?


Because the people I deal with regularly that try to take my guns away are Republicans, as often as not. This guy, for example: Mark Kirk

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Continue the Assault Weapons Ban

The 1994 assault weapons ban expired on September 13, 2004. Congressman Kirk supports extending the assault weapons ban. On July 8, 2004, he joined three of members of the House of Representatives in a letter requesting that Speaker of the House, J. Dennis Hastert, bring this critical piece of legislation up for a vote. He also urged the Administration to push for renewal of the assault weapons ban. On May 5 and June 18, 2004, he co-signed letters to the President and Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge urging action on the assault weapons ban.

Close the Gun Show Loophole

Congressman Kirk co-sponsored H.R. 3540 to close the gun show loophole. This bill requires criminal background checks on all firearms transactions occurring at events that provide a venue for the sale, offer for sale, transfer, or exchange of firearms.
An evaluation of gun trafficking investigations showed that gun shows rank as the second leading source of illegal guns recovered by federal law enforcement. In 1994, Congress passed the Brady Bill, which required gun stores to perform criminal background checks on all gun buyers. In just five years, these background checks have blocked 536,000 convicted felons and other illegal buyers from purchasing a gun. Congressman Kirk supports the Brady Bill because it keeps guns out of the hands of criminals.
Because the Brady Bill does not apply to private gun dealers, criminals who cannot buy at a gun store can skirt the law and obtain guns from private sellers at gun shows with no questions asked. Congressman Kirk supports closing this loophole in the law. This legislation would close the gun show loophole nationally.

Repealing the Tiahrt Amendment     
   
Last week I introduced an amendment to the Justice Department Appropriations bill with Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI) that would have lifted restrictions that prevent local police from accessing critical information about the guns they confiscate.  Using a computerized database containing this gun trace data, agents in the Chicago ATF office were able to determine that more than 300 guns used in gang-related crimes in Chicago were originally bought at only four gun shops in Mississippi.  The gun shops were Mega Pawn, Krosstown Trade and Pawn, and the North Delta Gun Shop in Clarksdale, and Route 61 Trade and Pawn in Tunica.
Thanks to the leadership of ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Chicago office Andy Traver, 19 people were arrested in March in connection with this Mississippi-to-Chicago gun smuggling network.  But because of a provision in law known as the “Tiahrt Amendment,” the ATF cannot share the data they used to break up this gun running ring with local police.  Our amendment would have given local police access to this powerful investigative tool.
There is a growing threat of gang violence in the suburbs.  There are more than 3,000 gang members living north of Lake-Cook Road.  These smaller police departments do not have the resources the Chicago Police Department has to fight gangs.  Giving suburban police access to the ATF trace data can help keep guns off our streets and shut down the interstate trafficking networks.
Unfortunately, Democrats and Republicans who did not see it our way defeated the Kennedy-Kirk Amendment.  But we are not done fighting to give suburban police the tools they need to keep guns and gangs out of our community.


What's not to love, Lazs. Hard to do any worse than an NRA F rating. I will vote for an A-C rated Democrat any day. I will vote for a F rated democrat if it gets Kirk out of office and opens his seat for a new Republican candidate 4 years down the road. He's not only a follower, he's a leader in the anti 2nd movement. This is the same guy I got to grill on that phone in "town hall meeting" BTW :)

Of course, the same is generally true with my state reps and senators -- all RINOS in my neck of the woods.

Arine is a republican. Rudy is a republican. Bloomberg is a Republican. I have no confidence that the 2nd Amendment is more safe in the long run -- unless you want a UK style sporting use definition of "bear arms" -- under the Republican party leadership than under the Democratic party leadership. What has Bush done for the 2nd with a Republican Congress? How many laws were repealed. The AWB sunsetted on its own, but the guy promised to sign a new one if it landed on his desk.

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