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Offline AKIron

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Because if you don't they will take all your stuff and put you in jail :)

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« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2007, 10:33:44 PM »
They'll just use a means test and cut off bennies to enough people that have some money or income so that they can pay the rest that saved nothing by themselves.

If you worked hard, saved money, have an IRA or some pension income you'll get zip from SS.

The people that spent every last time and have nothing will still get paid for their vote though.
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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2007, 11:08:58 AM »
I sure hope I don't have to rely on that program. I am sure they will continue to screw it up more, like keep raising the upper income limit for the tax. It is far from any sort of retirement program. They should rename to something like the GREAT AMERICAN WEALTH TRANSFER SCAM. I would opt out today if I was given a choice. You could take that extra payroll tax (double what is taken out since the employer pays half), and invest the proceeds and retire very wealthy.

Best time of year is when you get above the SS cap. It is like Christmas every month for the remaining half of the year.

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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2007, 02:38:21 PM »
yes.. they will not give me what they promised me because I have been smart and made plans for my own retirement.

I will be punished for saving and not being dependent.

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« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2007, 07:05:55 PM »
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I will be punished for saving and not being dependent.

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Re: Will Social Security pay or be the end of our government as we know it?
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2007, 07:12:44 PM »
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As one of the latest baby boomers, born in 1954, I have to wonder if I will see a return on my life long investment. While I'm not depending on it entirely for my retirement, it will make life easier. Many millions around my age probably feel the same way or will be even more dependent upon getting their social security check. If scocial security becomes unable to meet our needs just how great will social unrest become? Whaddya think?


INVESTMENT?  Face it folks - Social Security is a welfare program, not an retirement account.  At it's best benefit level, the check that social security is going to send you is going to be below the poverty level, so you better have something else in the works.  

You and your employer have each been taxed 6.2% of your earnings for the old age / ssi benefit, and another 1.45% of your earnings for medicare since 1990 (when the rates were last raised).  If you are self-employed, you get to pay both shares, which is 15.3% of your earnings.

For all this money you have been giving the government, you will get back a poverty level check each month (if you live long enough to claim it), and when you die, the government just keeps all the money you paid in.  (Then they come by and hit you with an estate tax, but that is another story...)

If this were a "retirement account" offered by a private company - the owners of the company would have gone to jail for life.  

Social Security should have been privatized long ago if it's purpose was to provide actual security in your old age.  If you had taken all that money that was ripped from you and your employer and instead put it in US Savings Bonds (safe, eh?  and the government pays you 90% of the average on 5-year t-bills as the interest rate), let it compound over your working life, then you would have big wad of tax-free cash at the end for you to retire on, plus you could pass it on to your children, fund your grandkids education, etc. etc. etc.

Republicans get criticized for "wanting to destroy social security" - yeah, you are damn right I do.  The program is probably the biggest rip-off in american history.  Why is it the government pays interest on t-bills they sell overseas, but don't want to pay the same interest to hard-working Americans here?  Does that seem fair?

I'm not saying we should destroy the "social safety net" - we have a need to provide for people that simply can't provide for themselves due to disability.  Fine - lets fund that HONESTLY as what it is - a welfare program.  We have need to provide medical care to the POOR, fine - we can do that too.

A little less demagoguery from the politicians and this problem could have been solved a long time ago, and a lot of folks wouldn't be under the illusion that social security is going to keep them secure in their old age.

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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2007, 03:08:10 PM »
I love the "socialism is da evile enemy of capitalism!" schtick. Especially when it involves federally supported social programs that were a direct result of a great depression that was a direct result of capitalism run amok.

Socialism and capitalism aren't "enemies" anymore than monarchies are "enemies" of parliments. Or one side of a scale is an "enemy" to the other. Honestly (and ignored vigorously in this thread), some things don't work right simply because there are people in power who feel threatened by them and work diligently to make sure they don't. (But ... but .... it's a "proven" that it "never could" work!) ;)

Just remember:

1: The economy is stonger and more beneficial to everyone than ever before!

2: Poor people are generational and strive hard to stay that way at your expense!

3: Anything, other than a war, supported by federal funds (especially if it involves education, health or housing for U.S. citizens) is ub dee debil.

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(Shhhh ... I'm practicing hyperbole and rhetoric) ;)

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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2007, 04:22:13 PM »
the great depression was world wide and was a result of trade wars and high tariffs that shut down world trade.

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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2007, 04:29:16 PM »
Nope. Hoover instituted the tariffs after the depression started. Try again. :D