Author Topic: Is Your 11 Year Old On Birth Control? (Read 2864 times)

Maverick · « **Reply #30 on:** October 19, 2007, 03:07:52 PM »

I am a bit divided on this issue. On one hand I don't want kids, and lets face it preteens and early teens ARE kids, making babies. On the other hand I have a real issue with a school being the distribution point for medication, particularly without parental and medical input. A school distributing this kind of material puts them in the position of dispensing meds and facilitating under aged sexual activity. Something that would get a private citizen arrested. It is a real precarious situation there given the juvenile protection laws.

I think the proper point for access to birth control is an organization like planned parenthood. Education regarding sexual activity as well as birth control are both areas that they specialize in. Perhaps access to a medical clinic for screening, but again that needs to have parental input.

Saburo,

Vouchers are no more socialistic than the regular public education. All residents pay for education through taxes whether they have kids or not. Vouchers just provide a means of reducing crowding in the regular schools and an alternative in educational opportunities for parents.

Tiger · « **Reply #31 on:** October 19, 2007, 03:09:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Donzo
What about a family that home school's? They pay taxes and do not benefit from the money used for schools. In that case, wouldn't the public school system be a form of socialism?

Actually, that family and families without kids do benefit from the schools they pay taxes for. We have had this debate down here for several years.

Your tax dollars go to help schools, better education = better workforce, better workforce = better companies, better companies = better jobs w/ better pay, that = better property values and better living conditions.

You like that 16 screen theatre nearby and that big mall with all those fancy stores? You think they'd be there if all that was in the area were poor farmers and clerks at the wal-mart and grocery store? Nope... they are there because there is a significant population to support them, the population is there because there is work to be had there. There is work because the companies came looking for the educated people that live there. You think that pharmecutical plant would have moved in the area where a school system that had a 70% drop out rate was? Nope, they need educated employees to hire.

Don't get me wrong, I hate the high taxes, and I hate all the waste in the school system, but vouchers will end up causing more problems than they solve. Private schools will raise their rates (thorugh supply and demand) and they will just end up subsidizing high income families who would be sending their kids to private school anyway.
We need REAL school reform, which means more parent and community involvement. Call and write your school board and State DoE, attend the meetings, educate yourself on the board members as you would all other elected positions.

Eagler · « **Reply #32 on:** October 19, 2007, 03:12:44 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
Vouchers in and of themselves will not fix anything.

It is a quick way to start.
Seems like you are talking out both sides of your mouth when you mention what is and isn't socialism as you cling to the idea that the public school system should be fix yet vouchers are an evil idea .. which one is it?

and please answer my question, do you have or have had any kids in the public school system?

SaburoS · « **Reply #33 on:** October 19, 2007, 03:16:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick

Saburo,

Vouchers are no more socialistic than the regular public education. All residents pay for education through taxes whether they have kids or not. Vouchers just provide a means of reducing crowding in the regular schools and an alternative in educational opportunities for parents.

So I take it then that vouchers will be available only to those parents of the kids who are going to the under performing public schools?

How do we fund the vouchers?
Do we raise taxes or do we cut more programs?
What is the projected cost?

Fury · « **Reply #34 on:** October 19, 2007, 03:24:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Shamus
In the olden days a parent would have to give permission before drugs were administered to a minor child.
shamus

My wife has been the medical chaperone for Marching Band trips to Florida over the past few years. She is not allowed to give aspirin, ibuprofen, or the equivalent (amoung other non-prescription drugs) without a signed note from a guardian.

I'll ask if she's allowed to give out birth control pills.

SaburoS · « **Reply #35 on:** October 19, 2007, 03:25:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
It is a quick way to start.
Seems like you are talking out both sides of your mouth when you mention what is and isn't socialism as you cling to the idea that the public school system should be fix yet vouchers are an evil idea .. which one is it?

What have I said wasn't a socialistic program?
We are a socialistic country, most are.
We do need to fix our public school system.
Making vouchers available and doing nothing else will do nothing to fix the problem.

Maverick · « **Reply #36 on:** October 19, 2007, 04:00:14 PM »

Saburo,

Please note that I did not indicate that I am somehow in charge of education for a city, county or state. If you want answers to those questions I would suggest you direct them to the state board of education where you live. Provided of course vouchers are authorized there.

SaburoS · « **Reply #37 on:** October 19, 2007, 04:10:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Saburo,

Please note that I did not indicate that I am somehow in charge of education for a city, county or state. If you want answers to those questions I would suggest you direct them to the state board of education where you live. Provided of course vouchers are authorized there.

Traditionally as I see it the politicians throw money (our money) at a problem and somehow think they've accomplished something and can now wash their hands if any problems arise.

I see most here doing the same thing regarding vouchers.
No planning, no financial figures, tax rate, etc.
So do any of you that support vouchers actually have any figures available?
How many vouchers?
Any restrictions?
What students will be turned away because now the private schools will be overcrowded?
How will this fix the public school system?
If no increased taxes, then what other programs will we cut to fund the vouchers?

We're all good at throwing tax dollars at ideas, has anyone here actually thought out how the voucher system will work and at what cost?

If you've got some reasoned and valid points, I'd be happy to start supporting the voucher system.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 19, 2007, 05:29:01 PM »

Has it occurred to anyone that a big part of the problem here is that a school board is making the decisions? Everyone wants to blame the educators, but educators are at the mercy of national, state and local laws. Thousands of educated, licensed and experienced educators often have much less power and say than a handful of elected school board members or politicians who may have nothing more going for them than a strong opinion. EVERYONE thinks that they know what’s best for education and that they know so much more than educated, licensed and experienced educators. It’s kind of like children who think they know everything about parenting because they have the perspective of having been a child.

derelict · « **Reply #39 on:** October 19, 2007, 06:19:39 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
Unfortunately, there are kids having babies. Giving them access to birth control pills (or condoms, etc) will not 'promote' sexual activity. Those kids that are going to have sex are going to do so with or without permission or protection.
The adults dispensing the pills usually will give the kids a talk about the risks and downsides of getting sexually active at such an early age.

You are joking ....right? Giving them access to the protection is telling them that they are not responsible for their actions. It's the same as saying we don't want you to do this yet, but it's okay if you do....there won't be any ramifications.

If I found out someone had given that kind of access to one of my kids without my permission they would be filing assault charges against me and a restraining order. I'd stomp a mud hole in their bellybutton so deep an entire herd of water buffalo could wade in at once

ROC · « **Reply #40 on:** October 19, 2007, 06:41:47 PM »

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If yours was sexually active, would you ban her from any protection?

My daughter is 11. I don't and won't trust the schools Or the state to determine the outcome of her sexuality.

I do, however, have a solution. I am her Father, I am The Final Word while she is a minor, and I will Harm, Hurt, Break and Ruin anyone, any age, having anything to do with my daughter physically. Fear is good enough for me.

I know Officers, Judges and the DA quite well. They Know I am serious, they Know I mean it, they Know there is nothing they can do to stop me.

Our school district does not support this type of activity that prevents parents from Knowing what their children are doing, or the solution that is becoming so popular. Ours is a small district. Outsiders have attempted to come into our district and impose their will, only be sent packing with enthusiasm.

The parents of most of the boys we know fully understand that it is the job of the Parents to make sure the boys know how to behave. One friend of ours, during a barbque, brought his son over to were he and I were talking. Looked the boy straight in the eyes and introduced me as my daughters dad. Then stated, without a grin, that he would Miss Him. Boy asked why, and his dad said that if boy did anything to ever hurt my girl that He would not be able to stop me. Told him not to be stupid, don't give me a reason. My daughter has a reputation at school, she'll be 12 in a couple months, I'm ok with that reputation. Her reputation is that of an Honor Student, Very Social and Completely hands off.

Why are we hoping the state takes care of this? I think my solution for My child is just fine. All the parents of the girls like the approach, all the parents of the boys understand, and all is well.

I personally don't care what's socially acceptable or PC, get near my girl, your going to lose body parts and I have no issue with going to jail over it.

That mindset does have a positive affect around town, and doesn't require a single Dime of Your money to enforce, I'll handle mine just fine thank you very much

Stang · « **Reply #41 on:** October 19, 2007, 07:07:10 PM »

So when a kid gets in a fight in school, the parents are called immidiately in to the principal's office... if a kid is having sex in the bathrooms, you don't even tell the parents?

rpm · « **Reply #42 on:** October 19, 2007, 11:08:15 PM »

I think Kamilyun nailed it. I would have much less of a problem if it were condoms they were dispensing.

As far as vouchers go, if you don't like your kid's school you have the ability to legally change where they go to class. It's called moving.

Thrawn · « **Reply #43 on:** October 19, 2007, 11:14:31 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
What have I said wasn't a socialistic program?

"What have I said wasn't a socialist program?"

...okay so in this case the sentence still doesn't make sense, but the "ic" still doesn't add anything to the information being sent.

Thrawn: Istic Police

Russian · « **Reply #44 on:** October 20, 2007, 01:14:23 AM »

Giving chemicals that change hormones on a growing body that requires those hormones to grow into a proper women seems .....really freaking stupid. Did those goofs actually checked with MD, not a 'school nurse' that only knows how to apply bandaid.

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