Is Your 11 Year Old On Birth Control?

[eskimo2]

If you are curious, here are the elected Portland School Committee Members who voted on this issue.  The page shows 12 people including the three at the bottom who look like students, and don’t have a district listed under their names and may not have a vote.  It says that seven voted; so that probably means that two of the nine adults were absent.  Ben Meiklejohn and John Coyne voted against; five of the remaining seven must have voted for.

[LePaul]

I find it appalling that a school goes through extrodinary means to circumvent the parent from doing their basic resposibilities.  

It sure would be nice if they stuck to teaching.

[eskimo2]

Lepaul,
It’s the elected school board members who came up with this, not the educators.

[LePaul]

I understand that.

[eskimo2]

But you said:

Originally posted by LePaul
I find it appalling that a school goes through extrodinary means to circumvent the parent from doing their basic resposibilities.  

It sure would be nice if they stuck to teaching.

It sounds like you don't understand the difference between schools and teachers  and school boards.

[LePaul]

Let's see...my father is a teacher, having been a superintendent and an assistant principal for years.

Yeah, Ive got no clue.  

What Im saying is, explained for your enlightenment, is that schools...ala teachers, administrators or school boards, should not attempt to "raise" a child. By doing so, they give the impression that parents do not know how to rear their children and make decisions.

[eskimo2]

Oh, how silly of me to assume that you were referring to the thread topic.  

There are many places where parents do raise their own children.  It’s nice to live in one of those places and also work in a place where parents are parents, more or less.  There are many places, however, where parents are kind of more like roommates.  There are many pockets throughout our country where children are not properly: clothed, fed, given basic medical care, taught the letters, numbers, their own name, basic behavioral expectations, the difference between right and wrong, etc.  

I’m not trying to condone what the Portland School Board did, but there are places where parents really do not know how to rear their children and make decisions.

[lazs2]

subaru... why are you not getting it.. of course our school system is socialism.   Me wanting to make it less so does not mean that I am ok with socialism.

Vouchers would not raise taxes.. private schools cost less than public schools by  about 50%.

the catholic school that my grand daughter goes to is no taj mahal   it is an old building with very few amenities.. the building does not make for the learning.

With vouchers.. most of the public schools could close.   They would have to compete in both their ability to teach and their budget.

My grand daughter will not be given birth control pills at the catholic school... I will have the choice of what kind of social engineering she is exposed to not some school board who has no one to answer to with a captive audience with no where to go.

The only places where private schools might not be available would be very small communities... there.. the parents generally have more say and the teaching is more conservative and to the point with less social experimentation in any case.

But.. it boils down to the fact that you think competition makes things worse instead of better... that.. only the government can run large businesses...

this is absolutely wrong and I don't think anyone here misses the breakup of ma bell or regrets having only the post office to go to when they need a package.  Both phones and mail have gotten better.

so would schools.

lazs

[rpm]

OK, Lazs. Let's say that catholic school can effectively handle 1000 students. What happens when 4000 new students show up with a voucher?

[DrDea]

Hey the real issue is they are doing it without telling the parents...Sorry but to me that should be a law suit

[Tac]

[Eagler]

Originally posted by rpm
OK, Lazs. Let's say that catholic school can effectively handle 1000 students. What happens when 4000 new students show up with a voucher?

They’d have to wait until they could be seated - my guess the temp solution would be portables until they built more class space and larger schools. The fact is a private school is 1000x more efficient with the money it receives and how it is spent from school/class sizes to teachers/admin salaries.

[Shamus]

Originally posted by Eagler
They’d have to wait until they could be seated - my guess the temp solution would be portables until they built more class space and larger schools. The fact is a private school is 1000x more efficient with the money it receives and how it is spent from school/class sizes to teachers/admin salaries.

A 1000 times more efficient eh?

That "fact" wouldn't be an exaggeration now would it?

shamus

[lazs2]

rpm... what happens is that the public school sees what people want.

that is the short answer and a good one.    when the catholic school has 80 students in the class and they are all doing well.. the public school will have to give up on the excuse that they fail because we don't throw enough money at em.

When the catholic school does all this for half what it costs us to get nothing at the public school.. and then doesn't blame the parents...

maybe the public school will get with the program.

I will say that public schools as well as private should have the right to throw out any student who is too disruptive or will not learn for whatever reason.   If that reason is that he doesn't speak the language then that student needs to go to a school that he is a citizen of.

I go and pick up my grand daughter who is in a catholic school.. and her friend who is in a public school zoo.. the catholic school has about 20% more students and is orderly and quiet with kids raising their hands.. the public school looks like the watts riots.

lazs

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Shamus
A 1000 times more efficient eh?

That "fact" wouldn't be an exaggeration now would it?

shamus

depends on the public school board and the private school doesn't it

wanna argue which is more efficient? which is the real question anyways isn't it