It's Like the Hydra

[Tigeress]

I think we have pretty much explored item number 0 on the below list for the time being. It was the first item Lazs choose to discuss and explore.

Shall we discuss another item on the list or add a new item?

TIGERESS

Originally posted by Tigeress
I have only come up with a few ideas...

I am not so bold as to pronounce them as a solution, rather ideas for discussion on solution.

So everyone feel totally free to shoot as many holes in them as you possibly can. Simple dismissal is not a discussion.

Timetable: 7-10 years

0. Kick-start a full swing to Liquid Hydrogen as our primary fuel source to replace oil as much as possible.

1. Establish an international agreement by the G-7 nations declaring the Present Islamic Religion as a common threat to Humanity and kick Russia off the G-8.

2. Force the non-violent Islamic majority to fess up about the Quran and change their religion and if they don't then label them as enemies of Humanity and treat them accordingly. Make them do it, they know all about submission and domination.

3. Force China and Russia to back off from supporting rogue nations through the use of incrementally staged and serious economic sanctions.

4. Keep fighting the ground and air war as we have been.

5. Full G-7 boycott of Iran, Syria. Set a blockade on both; shoot anything that goes in or out.

6. After Iran and Syria are internationally declared Regimes of Islamic Threats to Humanity, invoke the draft and go to full time state of war. Go for the throat.

7. Watch Saudi Arabia team up with Iran. I suspect Saudi Arabia is playing both sides of the street while it is in its interests to do so.

8. Threaten to wipe out all Islamic Religous sites if the old Islam ever shows it face again. Hollow threats are useless.

If we were not so gluttonous about the easy money of oil, these people would not have a dime to their names to do much of anything. But they now have money and lots of it and presently can screw our economy with their oil.

Like I said… the real solution, if it’s anything like the above, will be a bitter pill at best.

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

Insight as to different strains of OPEC member goals relative to the US during the recent OPEC meeting.

The key item that loomed up at me was this: "You have the anti-US crowd and the neutral crowd."

Notice that Saudi Arabia was not "pro-US" but was instead, "nutural."

Something else interesting was lost OPEC revenues due to devaluation of the dollar.

TIGERESS

from --> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071117/wl_mideast_afp/oilopecsummit7thleadwrap_071117220246

TIGERESS

Chavez starts OPEC summit with 200-dollar oil warning by Adam Plowright
Sat Nov 17, 5:08 PM ET
 


RIYADH (AFP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez opened an OPEC summit on Saturday with a chilling warning about 200-dollar oil if the United States attacks Iran in a speech that also urged the cartel to be more political.

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But internal divisions about the role of the oil exporters' group were highlighted when King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, OPEC kingpin and key US regional ally, sounded a moderate note, saying oil "must not become an instrument for conflict."

Chavez, a fiery leftist and fiercely anti-US leader, warned that crude prices could double from their current already-record level of near 100 dollars a barrel if Washington attacked Iran or launched action against Venezuela.

"If the United States was mad enough to attack Iran or aggress Venezuela again the price of a barrel of oil won't just reach 100 dollars, but even 200 dollars," he said.

He also urged assembled leaders from the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries, meeting for only the third time in the cartel's 47-year history, to club together for geopolitical reasons.

"Today OPEC stands strong. It is stronger than it has ever been in the past," he said. "OPEC should set itself up as an active geopolitical agent."

King Abdullah defended the aims of the cartel, which controls the output of its members to influence world crude prices, in a speech that was in stark contrast in content and style to the Venezuelan's.

"Those who say that OPEC is a monopolistic organisation are ignoring the fact that OPEC always behaves in a moderate and wise manner," he added.

He said proof of this was that current prices of near 100 dollars per barrel were lower than the prices of the 1980s when inflation was taken into account.

OPEC's membership is dominated by pro-Western Gulf states but includes an anti-US bloc of Iran and Venezuela.

The group has a history of using its oil exports as a political weapon -- members ceased exports in 1973 in protest at Israel's invasion of Syria -- but nowadays Saudi Arabia likes to stress the purely economic and technical agenda of the group.

The summit here is intended to map out the strategic direction of the OPEC, which produces about 40 percent of world oil, but the group is divided on a number of issues.

Another leftist ally of Chavez in South American, Ecuador, sealed its widely expected return to OPEC on Saturday, swelling the ranks of the group to 13.

Chavez -- who opened the summit because he hosted the last OPEC gathering in Caracas in 2000 -- made a series of blistering attacks on the United States and also posited that oil was the source of all conflict.

"The basis of all aggression is oil. It is the underlying reason," Chavez said, pointing to the war in Iraq and US threats against Iran because of the Islamic republic's disputed nuclear programme.

The event comes at a time of tension on world oil markets, with the cartel under pressure to increase its output to help calm record crude prices that had threatened to breach 100 dollars a barrel 10 days ago.

"Managing OPEC politics growing forward is going to be increasingly difficult so long as antagonism between Iran and Venezuela and the US continues," said an analyst from US-based oil brokerage SIG, Yasser Elguindi, before Chavez's speech.

"You have the anti-US crowd and the neutral crowd."

King Abdullah also announced that Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil producer, was to invest 300 million dollars (200 million euros) to develop technology to tackle climate change.

In a gaffe late on Friday, a private meeting of OPEC oil, foreign and finance ministers was mistakenly broadcast to journalists, which revealed other differences at the heart of the organisation.

The footage showed Iran pushing for a reference to the falling dollar in a final communique to be issued by leaders at the end of the summit, providing a rare glimpse of the inner workings of the organisation.

Journalists witnessed Saudi Arabia reject the idea courtesy of a television in the media room that mistakenly had a live feed of the meeting.

The eavesdropping ended when a furious official emerged to switch off the broadcast.

The fall of the dollar, which has declined by about 15 percent in 12 months, has affected the revenues of OPEC members because most of them price and sell their oil exports in the US currency.

[lazs2]

tigress.. pick one and I will discuss it.  

lazs

[Tigeress]

How aboutthis one, Lazs?

2. Force the non-violent Islamic majority to fess up about the Quran and change their religion and if they don't then label them as enemies of Humanity and treat them accordingly. Make them do it, they know all about submission and domination.



For what it's worth... seems I am not the only one who views the Quran as inspiring Islamic Treats to Humanity and compares it to Hitler's Mein Kampf...

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/28/europe/EU-GEN-Netherlands-Anti-Quran-Film.php#end_main

excerpt: "THE HAGUE, Netherlands: A Dutch conservative lawmaker said Wednesday he is making a film to highlight what he describes as "fascist" passages in the Quran, his latest high profile criticism of Islam.

The interior and justice ministers said they were concerned, but believed they had no authority to prevent the lawmaker, Geert Wilders, from screening his film.

Wilders plans to depict parts of the Quran he says are used as inspiration "by bad people to do bad things."

Less than 10 minutes long, the film is expected to air in late January. It will show "the intolerant and fascist character of the Quran," said Wilders, whose anti-Islam campaign helped his Freedom Party win nine seats in parliament in last year's election.

In the past, Wilders has said that half the Quran should be torn up and compared it with Adolf Hitler's book "Mein Kampf." He has claimed the Netherlands is being swamped by a "tsunami" of Islamic immigrants."

TIGERESS