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Offline Tigeress

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« on: October 20, 2007, 06:04:49 AM »


Bush has been dictating to our allies... and it's upsetting the status quo a great deal, imo.

The US didn't do that in WWII. The Muslim extremists are empowered by it, imo.

The art of politics is really the art of negotiation and compromise, isn't it?

I have seldom seen such strong armed international tactics as has been used since 911 and it's distancing the USA from her friends, imo.

Understand, I am not a socialist by any means...

When I said I am disappointed and it's time for a correction in the political balance of power in the US, it's because I expected better than this from Geo. W. Bush & Co.

I am a Moderate and I voted for him, twice... the country had gone too far to the left, imo.

Father knows best only when Father knows best...

After the last 16 years... I am beginning to think a single 5 year presidential term might fix this problem.

...and term limits on congress.

We are not fighting a country, imo... we are defensively fighting a Religion... Islam, which is still in the Middle Ages.

In my opinion, that isn't fixed with bullets... that just strengthens Islamic Extremists' power.

It's like the Hydra. Cut off one snake head and two grow back to replace it.
IMO, they want us to shoot them for just that reason.

It galvanizes their support amongst the world's population of Islamists the numbers of which are estimated to be between One Billion and One Billion Eight Hundred Million... WORLD WIDE.

Thus, their power to hurt us grows bigger by the day.




I think we are getting suckered in and falling back on WWII tactics and strategies to deal with it and it's backfiring.
It's a solution that only deals with symptoms and not the root problem.

In my opinion, Geo. W. Bush & Co has been playing right into Islamic Extremists' hands and has been trying to force our international friends to go along with him thus forcing our Allies to play into their hands as well.

Our Allies, appear to me, to be backing off from us because it isn't working.

What do you think?

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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2007, 06:38:16 AM »
Hmm.  I have to agree with you on shooting at them only makes them stronger, in a sense.

(I know this is a horrid example, but bear with me, please)

I am extremly nerdy, and just now of age to vote.  I just recently (Less than a weeks ago) filled out my voters application card.  But back on subject, I am nerdy.  In my earlier High School days I played alot of Magic The Gathering, I mean, holy cow, every morning, before breakfast.  Sometime skipping breakfast just to have a good time with my friends.
If you have ever played MTG, you will know it is a harmless card game, it is a pass time just as much as AH is, or any other game is.  But, just like everything in this world it has critics.  I have an aunt who seems to believe that the game is satanic, simply because it has the word "Magic" and "Gathering" in its title.  I am of course amused by this, and go out of my way to play it around her.  

I think this is much the same.  There are people in this world that when opposed will rise up, and become stronger.  They will meet their foe face to face and metaphorically (and sometimes litterally) spit in thier face.

  Religion tends to bring this on very easily from what I've seen.  You live your life knowing that you are correct.  That you have picked the right path, and suddenly someone you don't know who thinks in different ways than you comes along and tries to tell/force you into thinking what you have done your whole life is wrong.  Plain wrong, so wrong, that by defending your beliefs with violence (Not the best way, but it does get attention) or even some other ways that you are not just wrong.  You are evil.  And thusly they rally thier people in what might seem to you as an attempt to stomp what you believe wholeheartedly down, into the dirt.  And it may actually be that for all you know.

I can not blame anyone for defending thier beliefs, be they good, or bad in my view, to the death in a sitation like this.   I am unknowing of most things when it comes to politics, but I would like to believe that violence isn't always the answer.   To me, at the time, 6 years ago, when I was 12.  And 911 happened, I know what I thought.  

I thought, 'kill them all, they messed with the wrong country!'  

After those 6 years, I realize that point of view was not just wrong (to me), but I am almost ashamed of it.  Human life should not be wasted such.  Be it in war, politics, or even on a daily basis for reasons that can not be explained.   But if there is no other option at the time, there is no other option.  

I don't know if Bush should pull troops out, I don't know.  I read these forums to get a good point of view of politcal situtations.  And though I tend to take them with a grain of salt I find that most of the time they're quite good points of view.

Even though I just recently started posting I already have views of certain people.  Good views.  You guys make me think, and though that may hurt my brain from time to time, I hear tale that it can be a useful thing to do.

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2007, 06:42:41 AM »
« Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 06:58:21 AM by WMLute »
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2007, 07:36:55 AM »
yes yes, negotiate with islam , then we will have "peace in our time".
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2007, 07:49:59 AM »
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yes yes, negotiate with islam , then we will have "peace in our time".
:lol


I don't have a solution to the Islamic threat to world peace. I wish I did.

The negotiation that is lacking, imo,  is negotiating with our allies on determining a viable solution to the problem, imho, instead of blindly following a path which strengthens the (arguably) greatest enemy of world peace since Nazi Germany... the real enemy is the power of thought of blindly following the life taking distructive mandates of Islam itself.

Islam mandates that every person in the world either converts to Islam or is to be killed.

IMHO, the prophet Mohammad, the so-called Messenger of God, the sole author of the Quran, is the greatest Hitler of all time and he works his, evil imho, in the holy name of God himself.

I have been reading the Quran to see what drives Islamists... OMG!!!

The greatest thinkers of the peace loving powers of the world are going to have to determine a solution, not a single person or a single country.

And certainly not Geo. W. Bush & Co.

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2007, 08:06:06 AM »

Fight them there or in the backyard. whatever trips your trigger. They want one thing. Us dead. It has been ground into them forever. They are making a move now and it won`t stop by talk of any form. Ya damn right we are using armed authority and you better hope it continues.
I am also going to say that if things goes south you and others that have been having such a grand old time bashing Bush will see the day that you will be screaming...Why didn`t someone do something? He has shown more backbone and U.S. spirit than has been seen in a long time.
Didn`t care for the man when he was running. Didn`t care a whole lot for him the first of his presidency, but when the chips were down he did what had to be done. The only thing to put a stop to such BS.
Now about Great Britain...................... ...answer yet?
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2007, 08:21:34 AM »
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Fight them there or in the backyard. whatever trips your trigger. They want one thing. Us dead. It has been ground into them forever. They are making a move now and it won`t stop by talk of any form. Ya damn right we are using armed authority and you better hope it continues.
I am also going to say that if things goes south you and others that have been having such a grand old time bashing Bush will see the day that you will be screaming...Why didn`t someone do something? He has shown more backbone and U.S. spirit than has been seen in a long time.
Didn`t care for the man when he was running. Didn`t care a whole lot for him the first of his presidency, but when the chips were down he did what had to be done. The only thing to put a stop to such BS.
Now about Great Britain...................... ...answer yet?


You should have seen me bashing Clinton and Carter! hahahaha
I am bashing what I see, in my view, as Colossal Stupidity.

I don't personally know Geo. W. Bush but I know people who have met him in person and they say he is a nice guy and a funny man and not the bumble-butt he appears to be on TV.

I am pro-USA! President bashing is a USA national pastime!

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2007, 08:24:08 AM »
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Originally posted by Tigeress
I don't have a solution to the Islamic threat to world peace. I wish I did.

The negotiation that is lacking, imo,  is negotiating with our allies on determining a viable solution to the problem, imho, instead of blindly following a path which strengthens the (arguably) greatest enemy of world peace since Nazi Germany... the real enemy is the power of thought of blindly following the mandates of Islam itself.

Islam mandates that every person in the world either converts to Islam or is to be killed.

IMHO, the prophet Mohammad, himself, is the greatest Hitler of all time.

The greatest thinkers of the peace loving powers of the world are going to have to determine a solution, not a single person or a single country.

And certainly not Geo. W. Bush & Co.

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I actually did not know that, thank you.  I've never really taken the time to look into religions that I don't deal with on a near daily basis (Which is none really, I tend to seperate myself from the more pushy religious people around me), and I surely never thought people would go to such to such extremes as those in this day and age (But as it is, I am wrong it would seem.)

I can understand fighting for what you believe in, I can understand fighting to defend what your ancestors, and family have always believed in.  

I can not on the other hand understand an urge to force it upon others, or destroy them just to prove that you are right (Which on paper sounds kinda childish to me...)  The idea of a religion such as that puts me off to religion in general even more.  

I always thought the main purpose of Religion was beliving in something greater than yourself, something that could give you hope through hard times.  And that is most likely horribly wrong.   Knowing my luck.

But I do have to say, if you feel the need to kill everyone that disagrees with your way of thinking you need to go sit in the corner for a while and think about what you tried to do.  

I am sticking by my personal belief that human life should not be wasted.  Last I checked we're the smartest things on this planet (Next to Dolphins and Mice, yo.*) and all we seem to be really good at is killing each other, and everything else with us.  Though I do like a good explosion.

I actually think the idea of 'One person to save us all!" sounds a bit too cheesy to be a real posibilty, if anything is going to get done anywhere it would have to be a small (I am unsure what I am classifying as small here, but just pretend I know what I'm talking about. :D) group of people, talking out thier problems.  Not making each other angry because they feel the need.  Or because they feel the masses feel the need.

For what its worth, I think Point of View really is a deciding factor in such situations, and the second someone refuses, down right says "I will not understand what you are saying!  Because you are you!," to actually listen.  And try to figure out where someone is coming from, what they've had to go through, and what they are going to have to go through to get somewhere better, said person who stops listening should stop talking.   Because to me, that is ignorance.  And if you don't want to learn what's going on, then be quiet and sit at the back of the class.**

*Kudos to anyone who got that reference.
**This is of course assuming that said talker does not lie.  Or try to force sympathy.  Or any other underhanded little tricks you can think of.

Also, if my idiocy is blinding, please, I beg of you, point it out to me, I wanna' learn, I swear.

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2007, 08:34:04 AM »
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I actually did not know that, thank you.  I've never really taken the time to look into religions that I don't deal with on a near daily basis (Which is none really, I tend to seperate myself from the more pushy religious people around me), and I surely never thought people would go to such to such extremes as those in this day and age (But as it is, I am wrong it would seem.)

I can understand fighting for what you believe in, I can understand fighting to defend what your ancestors, and family have always believed in.  

I can not on the other hand understand an urge to force it upon others, or destroy them just to prove that you are right (Which on paper sounds kinda childish to me...)  The idea of a religion such as that puts me off to religion in general even more.  

I always thought the main purpose of Religion was beliving in something greater than yourself, something that could give you hope through hard times.  And that is most likely horribly wrong.   Knowing my luck.

But I do have to say, if you feel the need to kill everyone that disagrees with your way of thinking you need to go sit in the corner for a while and think about what you tried to do.  

I am sticking by my personal belief that human life should not be wasted.  Last I checked we're the smartest things on this planet (Next to Dolphins and Mice, yo.*) and all we seem to be really good at is killing each other, and everything else with us.  Though I do like a good explosion.

I actually think the idea of 'One person to save us all!" sounds a bit too cheesy to be a real posibilty, if anything is going to get done anywhere it would have to be a small (I am unsure what I am classifying as small here, but just pretend I know what I'm talking about. :D) group of people, talking out thier problems.  Not making each other angry because they feel the need.  Or because they feel the masses feel the need.

For what its worth, I think Point of View really is a deciding factor in such situations, and the second someone refuses, down right says "I will not understand what you are saying!  Because you are you!," to actually listen.  And try to figure out where someone is coming from, what they've had to go through, and what they are going to have to go through to get somewhere better, said person who stops listening should stop talking.   Because to me, that is ignorance.  And if you don't want to learn what's going on, then be quiet and sit at the back of the class.**

*Kudos to anyone who got that reference.
**This is of course assuming that said talker does not lie.  Or try to force sympathy.  Or any other underhanded little tricks you can think of.

Also, if my idiocy is blinding, please, I beg of you, point it out to me, I wanna' learn, I swear.


In my humble opinion, the Quran is the Mein Kampf of Islam and Mohammad, the so-called Messenger of God, wrote it.

One billion to 1.8 billion people, World Wide, read it and follow it and are extremely devout in their faith in the belief in its truth and believe it to be one and only absolute source of The Word Of God.

IMHO, Geo. W. Bush & Co are not alone... there are billions of people world wide who don't have a clue what we are dealing with in real terms.

I am scared as hell.

Go check out the Quran... it's all there in black and white for anyone to see.

To my knowlege, the Quran has never been modified/edited, unlike the Christian Holy Bible. If you don't think the Bible has been modified through the ages... think again.

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2007, 08:36:45 AM »
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In my humble opinion, the Quran is the Mein Kampf of Islam and Mohammad, the so-called Messenger of God, wrote it.

One billion to 1.8 billion people read it and follow it and are extremely devout in their faith in the belief in its truth and believe it to be one and only absolute source of The Word Of God.

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I wonder if it makes a good placemat...?







Sorry, I just had to... :lol  This was getting to serious for my liking, sorry.

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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2007, 08:42:42 AM »
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I wonder if it makes a good placemat...?







Sorry, I just had to... :lol  This was getting to serious for my liking, sorry.


I understand...

I have a lot of respect for freedom of religion and try hard not to trample on that... yet in so doing it puts the Quran into Protected Status and this is what makes this even more difficult to deal with.

This is a Colossal Problem.

If I thought getting into an B-2 Stealth Bomber and blowing hell out of the terrorists would fix the real problem, I would crank up the turbines. lol Regardless of whether Jackal wanted me to stay home and cook him his tatters or not! :rofl As much as I would enjoy doing that! ;)

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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2007, 08:51:17 AM »
I really don't know what to say, everything has a downside.  Every cloud may have a silver lining, but sometimes that's quicksilver, right to your eyes.

I'll keep an eye on this thread though, that's for sure.  Maybe we can get a bigger discussion going, I would love to learn more on this and I'd rather it be through human (if you call this true, human-human) interaction.  Something like this is much too broad for my scopes right now, and I doubt I could understand half of what some people say and think.  But I will try.

Besides, it's 8:50 in the morning here.  I suspect most of us over here are asleep, and that I should be as well.   Also, airshow starting in 10 minutes... that I can't get to.  That has a P-40, I am currently very angry/sad, and probably will be all today.  I will try very hard not to bring it into any posts.  And I apolgize now, incase I act stupid later.

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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2007, 09:07:27 AM »
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I really don't know what to say, everything has a downside.  Every cloud may have a silver lining, but sometimes that's quicksilver, right to your eyes.

I'll keep an eye on this thread though, that's for sure.  Maybe we can get a bigger discussion going, I would love to learn more on this and I'd rather it be through human (if you call this true, human-human) interaction.  Something like this is much too broad for my scopes right now, and I doubt I could understand half of what some people say and think.  But I will try.

Besides, it's 8:50 in the morning here.  I suspect most of us over here are asleep, and that I should be as well.   Also, airshow starting in 10 minutes... that I can't get to.  That has a P-40, I am currently very angry/sad, and probably will be all today.  I will try very hard not to bring it into any posts.  And I apolgize now, incase I act stupid later.


One solution would be for the entire world to convert to Islam.

I don't want to do that... I believe in Freedom of Religion, a government freedom, which is not a "freedom" according to most religions... including Christanity, imho.

There are some extremely intelligent people on this forum... I am interested to see what will be said on this.

It may be that huge numbers of people will have to "convert to Islam" in order to force a change to the Quran from within the religion to make it compatable with freedom of religion.

The Quran, as written, mandates No Freedom Of Religion At All; be Islamic or die.

In my view, the Quran, itself, must change in view of this mandate in order to prevent world wide war and possibly, Armageddon, which the Quran predicts will happen.

Convert to Islam or Die

The Quran promises to Faithful Fighters of those who do not believe in the One True God (Allah) (thus, the Quran) to be granted unlimited sex with many virgins in heaven.

Men are horny; Go figure.

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2007, 09:10:50 AM »
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One solution would be for the entire world to convert to Islam.

I don't want to do that... I believe in freedom of religion.

TIGERESS


I agree with you there.  The act of getting to choose is sometimes taken for granted.  You never know what you had till you lose it, you know the saying.

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2007, 09:19:48 AM »
Someone was commenting about the recent mocking and sacrilege at a Catholic church in San Francisco and they noted that if these gay militants had committed the same act against muslims they wouldn't be simply chastised, they'd be dead. Islam won't be dissauded from world domination with mere words.
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