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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1770 on: July 23, 2008, 07:40:35 AM »
Did you see the nasa images that show all the warm spots in the ocean around the antartic?   It seems that some undersea thermal action is going on..  that can't be our fault.

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« Reply #1771 on: July 23, 2008, 01:38:42 PM »
Do you have a link?
Anyway, the ongoing debate right now is whether there is any GW going on at all it seems.
BTW, the Antarctic is releasing land based ice into the ocean at some rate. The are is geologically rather quiet by the way. Both poles.
Spin the globe, and ponder....
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« Reply #1772 on: July 23, 2008, 02:08:11 PM »
angus..

http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html#top

Look at the last part of the article and it will show a nasa thermal image. 

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1773 on: July 23, 2008, 05:34:30 PM »
Going back to cooling and warming of the earth.  Here is soemthing I just found.

 
 Mark Williams, University of Leicester




This ostracod fossil from the Dry Valleys of Antarctica is less than 1 mm long, but preserves an array of soft tissues including legs and mouth parts.
A college student's new discovery of fossils collected in the East Antarctic suggests that the frozen polar cap was once a much balmier place.

The well-preserved fossils of ostracods, a type of small crustacean, came from the Dry Valleys region of Antarctica's Transantarctic Mountains and date from about 14 million years ago. The fossils were a rare find, showing all of the ostracods' soft anatomy in 3-D.

The fossils were discovered by Richard Thommasson during screening of the sediment in research team member Allan Ashworth's lab at North Dakota State University.

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Because ostracods couldn't survive in the current Antarctic climate, their presence suggests that the southern-most continent hasn't always been as frigid as it is today.

"Present conditions in this Antarctic region show mean annual temperatures of minus 25 degrees C (Celsius) [minus 13 degrees Fahrenheit]," said Mark Williams of the University of Leicester, co-author with Ashworth of the fossil-find report in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B. "These are impossible conditions to sustain a lake fauna with ostracods."

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Fossilized Feathers Could Yield Dinosaur Colors Milwaukee Museum Unveils Mammoth Skeleton The authors think the ostracods and the habitat they lived in were the last vestiges of a tundra ecosystem, similar to those found in Patagonia, that once thrived in Antarctic coastal regions, before an intense period of cooling gave rise to the Antarctic environment we see today.

While geologists theorize that the land that now makes up Antarctica was once a part of other continents closer to the equator — hundreds of millions of years ago — the warmer climate that supported the ostracods would have existed "when Antarctica was pretty much in its current location," said study co-author David Marchant of Boston University.

Marchant estimated that the summer temperatures in Antarctica would have been about 30.6 degrees F (17 degrees C) warmer than they are now.

This warmer period started to end when the first continent-sized ice sheets began appearing on Antarctica around 34 million years ago, around the end of the Eocene epoch.

These ice sheets expanded and contracted until around 14 million years ago, during the Miocene epoch, when a dramatic cooling took place and transformed the tundra into an environment "that today looks like Mars," Marchant told LiveScience.

Marchant said climatologists are uncertain exactly what caused this intense period of cooling.

The research was funded by the National Science Foundation.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1774 on: July 23, 2008, 08:29:51 PM »
Here is another story relating to global warming.  It also mentions the P-38 "Glacier Girl"  and how shw was found under jsut over 200 feet down.  And the information that was supplied and given to the searchers had informed only about 40 feet.  Great read.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010411040505/weatherwise.org/00nd.cerveny.html
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« Reply #1775 on: July 24, 2008, 05:53:38 AM »
That site you gave a link to Lazs looks close to the site of the flat earth society.
Being Greenlands neighbour, where the state of the art technique (Ice scope, drilling and GPS all put together) it is behind any doubt that the total mass of Ice is retreating, and faster than predicted.
The same method used in Greenland shows the same.
And Glaciers do not retreat if there is cooling going on, dead simple.
Now look at the N-sea-ice age again...age will give you a good hint to the thickness, as well as how much melts every year. What does that tell you?
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1776 on: July 24, 2008, 07:54:12 AM »
angus...sorry if the site is too full of data for you to follow.. all you had to do was scroll down past all the boring scientific stuff and get to the end to see the nasa pictures of thermals of the antartic.

I would say that the global warming alarmists with their denial of the pictures are the real flat earthers...

Why would they send out the mailer saying to ignore the images?   What does that TELL YOU?

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1777 on: July 24, 2008, 08:06:11 AM »
Give me a site that doesn't look like it's put together by some propagandists and we'll talk some more about it.
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« Reply #1778 on: July 24, 2008, 08:31:51 AM »
I have not seen any site on global warming that does not look like it was put together by a propagandist.. it is just that some are slicker than others.

You need to talk about the math..  there are plenty of sites that say the co2 math does not add up.   There are no grants for proving man made global warming is not happening tho so even tho a majority of scientists are sceptical..   they don't really have the funds or the incentive to put up the slick propaganda sites.

Most of the hand wringer sites are good at glossing over facts and exaggeration.  algors movie for instance was vehemently defended.. the hand wringers gave him an oscar and a nobel prize..  now.. with a little perspective.. we see that it was... well.. no doubt about it.. it was slick and well made but.. so devoid of facts and so full of exaggerations and downright lies that england has classified it as fiction.

use some ability to think and don't look at how slick a site is.. look at the content.

http://www.sitewave.net/news/s49p1493.htm

or how bout a slick one by no less than the government.. shiny stuff hypnotizes you so here ya are...

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=175b568a-802a-23ad-4c69-9bdd978fb3cd

or maybe newspapers.. you like them I have noticed...

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24036736-7583,00.html




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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1779 on: July 24, 2008, 08:50:12 AM »
Just for your info, the Ice graph was forwarded by one of our best metreologists, and that guy is somewhat cautious about GW debate.
The "Scientific stuff" you refer to in your link looks as if it was cropped by Göbbels.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1780 on: July 24, 2008, 02:01:38 PM »
angus.. which parts did you dispute?

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« Reply #1781 on: July 24, 2008, 03:22:01 PM »
Most of 'em.

Now, have you made up your mind....from you to me and Moray:

"For both of you.. what is the cause of this extremely pleasant and harmless warming period we are going through?"

For me it is a pleasure, except from the windspeeds jacking up.
It is a GW...and the cause, IMHO, again, is many sourced.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1782 on: July 24, 2008, 03:49:12 PM »
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It is a GW...and the cause, IMHO, again, is many sourced

Then why the wringing of hands and gnashing fo teeth?  The earth has warmed and cooled over its history and will continue to do so.  There are too many variable out there to say that this is all the fault of man which is what most GW alarmists are touting.  As I posted a little earlier, fossils have been founf in Antarctica that suggest a much warmer time period there.  Now, that must mean that the rest of the earth was also warmer.  It has changed and will continue to change until the end of the world.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1783 on: July 24, 2008, 04:04:50 PM »
Well, for once, those who debate MMGW the hardest, also dally with debating GW at all.
You can browse Laz's words from "what's wrong with the comfy warming nowadays" to "The globe is cooling, including atmosphere seas and ice is growing".
In the meantime, the oil companies are getting their rigs ready to move northwards due to grounds getting free of ice, WHILE paying press people to claim the opposite.
Nice script for a disaster movie,,,,
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1784 on: July 25, 2008, 07:05:57 AM »
The earth always cycles between cold and hot. Carbon is taken from the atmosphere in natural processes and released in natural processes. An astroid hit (there were countless in earth's past) or a volcano can start the process in a different direction. The ocean can be one of the biggest carbon sinks if life can exist there. Small sea creatures make shells that are made up of carbon mostly. The shells sink and get buried. The cycle continues.

If you want to get rid of carbon warm the oceans. Sea life explodes and this happens naturally. If you want to warm the planet release carbon. If you want to cool it take carbon away.

Given a choice between warming and cooling I would opt for warming myself.