General Climate Discussion

[Sabre]

Not that it will convince the die-hard Man-Made Global Warming followers, but hey...I can try.

http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=08

He's obviously a paid hack for Big Oil.

[JB73]

nice find thanks

[soda72]

What about the fact that carbon dioxide levels are increasing at the same time tempera-tures are rising? That’s an interesting correlation; but as every scientist knows, correlation is not causation. During much of the last century the climate was cooling while CO2 levels were rising.

Are you sure this guys name isn't Laz or something smiliar?...

[cpxxx]

Interesting, you know as the tide turns every so slowly against MMGW and even becomes accepted by the fickle public. I wonder if I'll become uneasy and begin to wonder if there is some man made causation.

Naw, not I'll just be smug and say I told you so. Although, I suspect that in reality if this current spell reverses and we return to the 'norm' of previous years. All the enviro-lemmings will run around slapping each other on the back and issuing Nobel prizes to each other. 'We saved the planet', they will cry. 'But we must not get complacent, continue with reducing emissions by increasing taxes again'.

[Thrawn]

He's not a climate scientist, he's an electrical engineer.



Edit:


Hell, he's an electrical engineer that has worked on climate change "research" for  Exxon, Texaco, Arco, Shell and the American Gas Association.

[Gunslinger]

Thrawn are you referring to the article's author?

If so do you have a source?

I can't back up what he says but being that it's on a college website it looks pretty legit and says this in the first paragraph:

S. Fred Singer is professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Vir-ginia, a distinguished research professor at George Mason University, and president of the Science and Environmental Policy Project. He performed his undergraduate studies at Ohio State University and earned his Ph.D. in Physics from Princeton University. He was the founding dean of the School of Environmental and Planetary Sciences at the University of Miami, the founding director of the U.S. National Weather Satellite Service, and served for five years as vice chairman of the U.S. National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmosphere. Dr. Singer has written or edited over a dozen books and mono-graphs, including, most recently, Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years.

he sounds a little more qualified than an electrical engineer.....if this is who you are talking about.

[Angus]

Well, CO2 isn't all. But it's known how it works.
Methane is however 25 times more powerful. Now look at the graph.
With ups and downs in the global growth rate, the measured outcome is a steady rise.
There used to be a lot more methane about. There was life on the planet as well. But nothing of a condition that a human could live in....

[Airscrew]

Gun,  a few links I found, for what they are worth.  I just searched on his name.  I havent read them all the way through but theres some info there


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/warming/debate/singer.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._Fred_Singer

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=S._Fred_Singer

http://www.sepp.org/

http://www.independent.org/aboutus/person_detail.asp?id=496

http://www.nationalcenter.org/KyotoSingerTestimony2000.html

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Angus
Well, CO2 isn't all. But it's known how it works.
Methane is however 25 times more powerful. Now look at the graph.
With ups and downs in the global growth rate, the measured outcome is a steady rise.
There used to be a lot more methane about. There was life on the planet as well. But nothing of a condition that a human could live in....

Ok so we will outlaw Bean comsumption.

Problem solved LOL

[Shuckins]

Save the Planet!  Kill a Cow!

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Save the Planet!  Kill a Cow!

do ya want fries with that cow..

[Shamus]

Originally posted by Sabre


He's obviously a paid hack for Big Oil.

LOL...it would seem that he is

shamus

[Boroda]

Just 20 thousand years ago there were 2km of ice over the place where I sit now. Moscow icing.

Two thousand meters of ice. Right here. I vote for some warming.

[Angus]

Hehe, me too! I am sitting on an old pre-Iceage seabed. And it's now getting warmer, nicely and fast.
+10 degs and rainy, that's okay, but I hate 24 m./sec wind EVERY DAY .
And Boroda, - you might not want long dry summers with 40 deg's + all the time like the Euros in the temperate climate are now seeing...

BTW, I read up on Singer's stuff,  - the interview alone  isn't really worth much

[rpm]

...and this proves without a doubt that Global Warming just isn't happening!