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Offline AKIron

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #285 on: November 03, 2007, 03:41:41 PM »
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Hmmmm .... I'm tap dancing. Let's see:

Where in that article does it claim that pollutants increase cloud production?

I certainly didn't say that. You seem to think so.

"Global dimming has interfered with the hydrological cycle by reducing evaporation and may have caused droughts in some areas. Global dimming also creates a cooling effect that may have partially masked the effect of greenhouse gases on global warming."

Got tap dance?
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You're not a very good tap dancer. This is from the article you posted.

"It is thought that global dimming was probably due to the increased presence of aerosol particles in the atmosphere caused by human action. Aerosols and other particulates absorb solar energy and reflect sunlight back into space. The pollutants can also become nuclei for cloud droplets. It is also thought that the water droplets in clouds coalesce around the particles. Increased pollution causes more particulates and thereby creates clouds consisting of a greater number of smaller droplets (that is, the same amount of water is spread over more droplets). The smaller droplets make clouds more reflective, so that more incoming sunlight is reflected back into space and less reaches the earth's surface."
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #286 on: November 03, 2007, 03:48:52 PM »
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"Increased pollution causes more particulates and thereby creates clouds consisting of a greater number of smaller droplets (that is, the same amount of water is spread over more droplets). The smaller droplets make clouds more reflective, so that more incoming sunlight is reflected back into space and less reaches the earth's surface."


Better give that another ..... closer .... read. It's not saying it increases cloud production. It's saying it increases the number of droplets per cloud.

Can't concede one single point? Got yer mind made up?

Not my taps, Fred. :D
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Offline AKIron

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #287 on: November 03, 2007, 03:50:24 PM »
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Better give that another ..... closer .... read. It's not saying it increases cloud production. It's saying it increases the number of droplets per cloud.

Can't concede one single point? Got yer mind made up?

Not my taps, Fred. :D


I'll concede that it's pointless to discuss this any further.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #288 on: November 03, 2007, 03:57:53 PM »
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I'll concede that it's pointless to discuss this any further.


Then that's not discussion, anyway. That's acting petulant. :D
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #289 on: November 03, 2007, 06:30:12 PM »
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Then that's not discussion, anyway. That's acting petulant. :D


I enjoy a little repartee on occassion. It's been a long week.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #290 on: November 03, 2007, 07:07:38 PM »
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I enjoy a little repartee on occassion. It's been a long week.


Understood. Then I'm guessing/hoping we're good on this - aka agree to disagree but we'll talk more ... later .... some. :)
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #291 on: November 03, 2007, 07:12:21 PM »
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #292 on: November 04, 2007, 05:23:35 AM »
GW is a question that science could take years to answer. Looking at history or remembering past brilliant failures in regards to trumping the natural course of science + time by political types and clergy leaders is a mistake we continue to repeat as a world goup.
I am more certain that any of us on either side of this battle over GW really don't know for certain %100 the cause of GW, or rather that its not natural, to say otherwise is arrogance and immature.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #293 on: November 04, 2007, 06:40:30 AM »
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Not that it will convince the die-hard Man-Made Global Warming followers, but hey...I can try.

http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=08

He's obviously a paid hack for Big Oil.:rolleyes:


Yeah, it would actually be funny if all those tree huggers were right, cause once the planit is used up our great grand children will just leave and go to ................. oh wait..........we don't have another planit.

oh well i guess they'll have to figure it out, we'll just keep on useing the fossil fuels which we don't need so companys like exxon can stay as rich as they are and milk us for every penny they can.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #294 on: November 04, 2007, 06:40:46 AM »
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now... more and more... scientists are dropping from the ranks and only a few are hard core "MMGW and it is a catastrophe" types...  only 6% of the papers instead of 100% are sure this is true.


Here we have that 6% figure again, and again it is on the wrong side of the argument. Isnt it amazing that he keeps repeating the same lie, merely a handful of posts after I have proved him wrong?

Isnt it sad lasz, to have to lie in order to have a point? Isnt it a bit depressing to be forced to make s hit up in order to have an argument?
Isnt it embarrassing to be caught with the same lie over and over again? Have you no shame?

You disgust me.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #295 on: November 04, 2007, 07:10:32 AM »
Last time I checked, there were 8% of climate related scientists that debated GW.

And the debunk film, - just browsed over it again. What a heap of crap, having graphs of GW ending 17 years ago (in order not to show uncomfortable things) as well as quoting people as "sattelite survey managers" or such, when it happened to contact a brief period in a career, - what was it for Singer, - 1962-1964?

It's a propoganda scam, and probably paid by people who make short term profits from "inconvenient truths" NOT coming to the surface.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #296 on: November 04, 2007, 09:11:13 AM »
louis..   can you show me the data that says we are producing water vapor?

Last I looked man is not adding to the water vapor.  Perhaps you can link me to a site that shows man made global warming due to man made water vapor?

Moray.. are you saying that you agree that co2 trails global warming and not leads it?   that's a start.

The whole thing is.. if man made co2 is not causing any significant warming then what is?    what man made thing is causing the warming?   The latest says that methane from men eating meat is the problem.. even tho... man produces only a tiny fraction of  the globes methane...

Co2.. if you still insist on it.. put out a few coal fires... just one in china is producing more co2 than all the cars and trucks in the USA... there are coal fires burning unchecked all over the world.   Start there... go ahead.. put em out..  then make it illegal to have a forest fire.. just ban em... if nature starts one... put it out instantly..

These seem much easier to achieve than changing the climate of the entire globe by co2 or dimming.

As for clouds...aerosols ...  the most fervent alarmists admit that they don't understand em.

lazs
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Offline Hortlund

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #297 on: November 04, 2007, 11:03:35 AM »
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louis..   can you show me the data that says we are producing water vapor?


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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #298 on: November 04, 2007, 11:04:21 AM »
Laz - Which expert are you quoting now?  It seems that your "facts" don't concur with reality.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #299 on: November 04, 2007, 11:13:22 AM »


Its those English Bastids.  

Save the Earth, give up tea!

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