General Climate Discussion

[lazs2]

louie..  I drive a lincoln that gets 23 mpg and I drive hot rods that get 10-14 mpg..  I ride a motorcycle that gets 50 mpg..

I am not frieghtened in the least...  you can't take away my hot rods because they are all old and exempt.   I don't give a crap what anyone drives.. if they can afford the gas then let em.  In fact.. I like the fact that if they own low mpg cars, and gas goes up... there will be fewer of em on the road.

that is as it should be.. the cost of fuel, its availability, will be the motivator for what people drive.

I think that there is some bizzare and childish envy going on with the environmentalists and the lefties.. they simply don't like to see people driving SUV's  they want to punish.. they want to control.  to be more pious than others.   silly control freak, socialist crap.

I fear nothing because... I am a hot rodder... no matter what power source comes out.. mine will be a hot rod.. mine will always be faster than the one you buy.

I do fear.. useless taxes to solve a made up problem with unworkable and power grabbing solutions.  

lazs

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Louis XVII
Someone said earlier that reality has a left leaning streak.

Whoever said that is living in lala land. The free market/capitalism is far closer to nature unfettered by delusions of utopia than is socialism.

[Louis XVII]

Originally posted by lazs2
I think that there is some bizzare and childish envy going on with the environmentalists and the lefties.. they simply don't like to see people driving SUV's  they want to punish.. they want to control.  to be more pious than others.   silly control freak, socialist crap.

I find that to be a strange point of view, given that the areas of the world where GW will bite first and bite hardest are often impoverished countries like Bangladesh. They're really concerned about GW because it's a low lying country without proper funding to build flood defences. Given that its per capita GDP is around $2000, this has absolutely zilch to do with SUVs because no-one there could afford one. So that's that argument blown out of the water.

Also I note that "Angus" is clearly concerned about GW, and he lives in Iceland. How many gas guzzling SUVs do they have in Iceland?

[Angus]

Hehe, Lois
"How many gas guzzling SUVs do they have in Iceland?"

Terribly many, and only USA (AFAIK) exceeds us in terms of cars per inhabitant.
This is recent, and simply due to good economy, - people do indeed stop "gizzling" when it hits the purse. However, the average wallet up here is now thick.
However, the road system is rather long pr. inhabitant, and I belive the miles pr. inhabitant are not so high.
(Well, you always have to take a lot into the account)

Sidenote here, (personal)  - I prefer to keep honest about these things. This might not suit my "agenda", - or rather thesis regarding concern of emissions. But right is right, and I prefer the Churchillian way of a no-bluff when it comes to these "politics". I also belive that with straight (and possibly friendly) approaches like this, more "educational" feedback is achieved rather than through bashing and humiliating as well as hurting victories or losses in debates.
Maybe just me, but I stick through this theory,,,,and it's not easy

As for the impact, the country is easily self-sustainable - energyvise. We basically export energy AFAIK.

Oh, and as a sidenote, I don't even have a car

(...sort of....but I mostly go by foot, and therefore I don't need a guzzler to drive me to the gym )

[lazs2]

louis.. you are a little difficult to follow..

Are you saying the "man made global warming is gonna end the world as we know it sometime (not specified) soon movement"

was started in, and run by,  bangledesh?

lazs

[Louis XVII]

Originally posted by lazs2
louis.. you are a little difficult to follow..

Yes, I realise some of the words I used have more than four letters and more than one syllable.

Are you saying the "man made global warming is gonna end the world as we know it sometime (not specified) soon movement"

was started in, and run by,  bangledesh?

Why do you always ask people what they're saying? If you would read the post properly (something you never seem to do) then you would KNOW what's being said.

This thread is ending up exactly as I predicted, with Lazs making fatuous counter remarks and pretending not to know what's being said. In doing this, he knows that most brain cells will leave the thread (as I'm about to do) and then he can have the last word and believe that he's "won the argument".

Let the record show that

• Lazs claims the warming predictions are being driven by "liberal socialists" and girly men politicians who want to punish SUV operators.
• I say that's rubbish because one of the first places to suffer the consequences of GW will be Bangladesh, where no-one can afford gas guzzling SUVs and there probably aren't roads for them anyway. Only last week that country was swept my a freak storm - Cyclone Sidr - and 3000+ people died. This follows other freak weather in the SE US, as was pointed out by Moray.

Angus - yes I thought Iceland might have all terrain vehicles. Are your concerns about GW driven by a) a desire to punish their operators, or b) the Arctic ice meltdown you see with your own eyes each day? And... does the Icelandic government have any girly men?

[wrag]

I do hope anyone screaming about Global Warming IS NOT relying on the U.N.s claims!!!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/19/AR2007111900978_pf.html

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071120/D8T14OD80.html

Cause there is a VERY good chance, as the above reports would indicate, the U.N. is AGAIN mistaken!

[wrag]

Heres a place of interest.................

http://www.heartland.org/

seems dedicated to Global Warming NOT!

[Angus]

LOL, Lois:
"Angus - yes I thought Iceland might have all terrain vehicles. Are your concerns about GW driven by a) a desire to punish their operators, or b) the Arctic ice meltdown you see with your own eyes each day? And... does the Icelandic government have any girly men? "

- The big-wheeled crew mostly live in town! It's money people in abundance.
- Oh, we see the meltdown and notice the warming.
- Girly men are everywhere

[Tigeress]

Thought ya'll would get a laugh out of this video!

This is a great imitation of a George W. Bush performed by some kid, talking about global warming issues.

Pres Bush on Global Warming: http://stupidvideos.us/video.aspx/IDp~1572/George%20W.%20Bush%20imitation/Funny%20videos/

TIGERESS

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by wrag
I do hope anyone screaming about Global Warming IS NOT relying on the U.N.s claims!!!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/19/AR2007111900978_pf.html

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071120/D8T14OD80.html

Cause there is a VERY good chance, as the above reports would indicate, the U.N. is AGAIN mistaken!

So...you guys are really desperate for arguments now huh?

[AKIron]

I'm desperate to not give the UN a freakin' inch when it comes to anything.

[lazs2]

louis.. you can't have it both ways... you said

"The other side does their own scamming. You have Big Oil and the Detroit motor industry and drivers of 10mpg cars wringing their hands and believing it's the end of the world if they had to drive something that gets 18mpg or more,"

you are implying that the whole argument is about SUV's..   I was merely making fun of this.   People aren't saying that it's a scam so that they can continue to drive SUV's   They are saying it's a scam cause the numbers don't add up.

then you said that...

" I find that to be a strange point of view, given that the areas of the world where GW will bite first and bite hardest are often impoverished countries like Bangladesh. They're really concerned about GW because it's a low lying country without proper funding to build flood defences. Given that its per capita GDP is around $2000, this has absolutely zilch to do with SUVs because no-one there could afford one. So that's that argument blown out of the water."

now really...  I don't see a lot of bangladesh people in the news saying that they fear man made global warming.   The scientists who are in on the scam aren't doing it to save bangledesh.. they are doing it to get grants.  for the money...  for the fame...  and.. they are socialist one world government types that see any individuality as a threat.  

They aren't trying to get a thing out of the people of bangledesh except to use them.   It matters not what the average income of bangledesh is..  that isn't who they are trying to soak... in the US alone we are spending billions a year on research for this.. money that goes to fatten their bank accounts.. it has nothing to do with bangledesh for them.

don't bring up SUV's and I won't... don't bring up bangledesh and I won't.   They are irrelevant to the subject in any case.

and your examples of this storm or that being unusual.. there is no such thing as a normal year for climate or storms.   Are you next gonna claim that the mild hurricane season can be credited to benificial man made global warming?   of course not..  only bad things right?    Name me a year in history where some natural disaster or multiple ones did not occur.



lazs

[lazs2]

and... I don't drive an SUV..  I don't care about em one way or the other except to say that it is none of my business what anyone drives.

Do you feel the same way?   Do you think you have a right... in the name of man made global warming..  to ban SUV's?  except for the MMGW priests to drive to their jets of course...  they are exempt.

What exactly do you think should be done?   no one here will answer.  I think that is because they know how stupid the whole thing will sound to everyone... Like banning SUV's will do squat..  Like making meat illegal will help.. maybe "carbon credits" to pad some peoples pockets and to ease the conscience of the pious believers?   none of it will do diddly.. but that doesn't matter cause the problem is a fabricated one anyway.

And I agree with AKiron..  I am desperate to see that the UN get's no power over anything.

lazs

[Angus]

What is a SUV?