General Climate Discussion

[C(Sea)Bass]

You:
"Sun spots have been proven to change climate, and they have nothing to do with cosmic rays. "
The article:
"Cosmic rays are deflected away from Earth by our planet's magnetic field, and by the solar wind "

The article refutes a study that supposed solar wind's deflection of extra-solar cosmic rays was corelated to cloud density over the earth, with some effect on earth's climate.  The first part is true, solar wind effectively reduces external cosmic rays, so they do have something to do with cosmic rays.  In fact if the article and your post weren't so imprecise, it could be said that the two were the same, solar and external cosmic rays.

Again, solar winds/ cosmic rays, have zilch to do with sun spots. No where in the article does it even mention the words sun spot.

[MrCoffee]

Regardless, what are the lasting affects? Sun and solar flares affect, the earth recovers balances, where is the data that matters?

[moot]

Again, solar winds/ cosmic rays, have zilch to do with sun spots.

http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/cosmicrays/crsun.html

Coffee at this point if anyone knew, you'd definitely have heard of it.

[MrCoffee]

This subject could easily become some sort of debate where people trade theories facts and issues for agendas. It would be interesting to know a bit more. I have to admit I dont know much about it myself.

[moot]

You mean this thread?  There's been a long one before this one already, it shouldn't be too many pages back. 

[SD67]

This one?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,218081.0.html

[C(Sea)Bass]

Your link just states what I was saying. I think you misinterpreted a part of it. During a solar maximum, when sun spots are more prevelent, the solar winds are stronger. If you do more research into it you will find that the solar winds are not stronger because of the sunspot, and the sunspots are not more widespread because of the solar winds. They are both caused by separate phenomina. The causing factors for each are unrelated. I can remeber exactly what the causing factors are, but I remember going over this last month in one of my classes.

[Xargos]

Without our planet's magnetic field, Earth would be subjected to more cosmic radiation. The increase could knock out power grids, scramble the communications systems on spacecraft, temporarily widen atmospheric ozone holes, and generate more aurora activity.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield.html

[Angus]

Well, the magnetic poles do hop-&-bop arond, and,,,???
It's been moving quite a bit in the last year, and will continue to do so.
However the climate is another...issue..

[WWhiskey]

I can't wait for the polls to shift, it's been my whole life's dream to watch this great train wreck/catastrophe I mean come on as a kid didn't you think the world could just somehow, spin out of control! for a day or two? when you spin a top, does it not spin strait then curve and shake, then spin strait again? surely the world could not be that much different atleast i hope not! I want too see all these brilliant minds just go plumb goofy when the poop really hits the fan< just to let them know, what morons they really were!!

[Angus]

Then you don't have to wait, for now La Nina is active, so a slight cooling may be expected.
Then the polls will change again

BTW, newest research from the Univerity of Lancaster gives the result that recent warming has nothing at all to do with swings in solar activity....

[SD67]

I'm not sure I want to be here when the poles shift again.
So much of our everyday life will be effected by such an event. navigation as we know it will be impossible. Anything that depends on the magnetic field will be affected. It'll be interesting, but not in a "hey this is cool" way

[moot]

CBass the spots are an index to solar activity, elements of which solar wind is one of.   The first mention of spots was by you; why, I don't know.   Regardless, cosmic rays onto earth from outside the solar system are deflected by solar wind, which itself has similar particles. Said particles are ejected in, among other occurences, coronal mass ejections, an illustration of which I linked to.. In which you can see some sort of corelation with sunspots, namely that sunspots are the mag field locations which CMEs belch from.

See this: http://www.cosmicrays.org/muon-rays.php

On average, every eleven years solar activity is high. The magnetic field of the sun increases, solar flares are more common, which produce magnetic clouds and therefore cosmic rays are deflected stronger than during a solar minimum. Thus, when the sun is active, fewer galactic cosmic rays reach Earth's atmosphere in order to produce secondary particles.

Maybe you got confused with flares?  Flares also happen in sunspot regions.

[Angus]

I'm not sure I want to be here when the poles shift again.
So much of our everyday life will be effected by such an event. navigation as we know it will be impossible. Anything that depends on the magnetic field will be affected. It'll be interesting, but not in a "hey this is cool" way

You ARE here, and the magnetic poles ARE shifting
Nothing compared to the axis properly shifting though ...

[AKIron]

Hmmm, no increase in temp in 10 years.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,346310,00.html