General Climate Discussion

[33Vortex]

Lazs, what really is based on exponential math is growth. Each year, GNP is expected to grow by a certain percentage, if it doesn't grow as expected the economy start to falter. What is proven with arithmetics is, that the economy can not continue to grow forever, while people expect it to. It's a false expectation, as what is driving the economy is raw materials, natural resources. These resources (primarily oil) are finite, a supply bound to run out.

It's all very very simple. See the above post, we have to change something. If we don't, something will change anyway whether we like it or not. Like Dr Bartlett points out to us, we do have the option to change things before it starts to slip out of our hands. Once it's slipped away, we will not be in control any longer and nature will have it's course whether we like it or not. It's not a matter of change or no change, change will happen. It's how that change will happen that we may have some say about, if it's not already too late.

[lazs2]

well.. I guess you didn't get it.. probly my fault.

What exponential depends on is the simple math.. that everything but what they are focused on stays the same.. that no variables exist.    it is a straight.. and narrow minded and narrow focused math exercise with just enough boogie man and doomsday thrown in to reel in the women and womenly men.

lazs

[lazs2]

so who's point are you trying to prove?   the math is not even a possibility since..   the only certain thing is change.

I say the same thing to this loon as I say to the global warming loons....

Tell me what will happen in 5 years.. exactly tell me what we will run out of in 20 years.. tell me what will happen one year from now.

If it was all that simple all these "scientists" would have cornered the world markets in everything since finance should be childs play for such great seers who can deal with all the variables of mother nature.

lazs

[33Vortex]

I give up lazs, your posts really prove that you understand nothing of this. There is no point in discussing it with you.

[Jackal1]

Here ya go. Enough here to keep even the most bored DOOMSDAYER mind occupied and biting the pillow at night.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.07/doomsday.html

Pick one. Build a shrine, have a plastic statue made to mount to your dash.
Nobody leaves here alive.
We are DOOMED! All DOOMED I tell ya.

[Baitman]

Here it is in simple math Lazs

World Oil Reserves = 1,317.447 billion barrels / information from the  US DOE
WOR = 1,317,447 million barrels

World Oil Production = 80+- million barrels per day / from the US CIA

Time left to end of production (keeping use constant and no more huge discoveies)(China has seen huge increase of oil use in the last 5 years likewise so has India)

(1,317,447/80)/365= 45.118 years

At the rate of use today we will be out of oil in 45+- years. This may not happen but 20 - 25 years from now there could be great shortages

[Angus]

And shortage means the price goes up. Not just on oil, but anything that depends on oil.

Doesn't matter anyway, the doomsday sayers here probably have it right, that we'll al be dead from recent underseas volcanoes topped by huge ocygen starved underground coal fires.

Yes, the devil is at work, so pray and keep yer guns loaded 

[Baitman]

only problem though is that you can't eat guns

[33Vortex]

Well, the problem is not that oil will run out (it probably won't). The real problem is that the price of oil will go up, significantly. To a level where we can not sustain our current way of life. People will have to walk or take the bike to work, perhaps a train if we have electric power.

The price of oil can reach absurd levels without oil ever running out.

[Baitman]

Well, the problem is not that oil will run out (it probably won't). The real problem is that the price of oil will go up, significantly. To a level where we can not sustain our current way of life. People will have to walk or take the bike to work, perhaps a train if we have electric power.

The price of oil can reach absurd levels without oil ever running out.

Exactly

[Angus]

Me thinks it will....almost. Well before however, it will be unbearably expensive.
And that isn't even complicated science.
In that,,,,close future, we should be able to see if all those fumes make a difference...

[33Vortex]

It is interesting times Angus. 

Potentially about 5 billion people on this planet are surplus. How that problem is to be solved nobody knows, but I think some governments are working on it behind the scenes.

[Jackal1]

only problem though is that you can't eat guns

Only flaw in that is as long as I have a gun I will eat.

[Angus]

And eat raw, muhahahaha 

[Jackal1]

And eat raw, muhahahaha 

Once again Angus, if you ever find yourself without fuel for cooking then you have far more worries than you have mentioned here.