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Offline Angus

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1740 on: July 20, 2008, 01:21:15 PM »
Call it jumbled-up, and there I think you hit the nail on the head.
Too many factors are too much a load for a simple mind. So, meadia-wise it's best to have it simple, headline-style. Instead of greenhouse gases it's just co2. Instead of multiple factors it's just greenhouse effect.
So, the reason...well, IMHO a total of greenhouse effect, aided by a different exposure area, toppled with sunlight :D

BTW:
"what is the cause of this extremely pleasant and harmless warming period we are going through?"

Nice to see you bite the dust Lazs, - you have been claiming that there is a cooling period, right????
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1741 on: July 20, 2008, 02:40:31 PM »
Quote from: Angus on July 20, 2008, 01:21:15 PM
Nice to see you bite the dust Lazs, - you have been claiming that there is a cooling period, right????

Kinda depends on your time scale eh?
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« Reply #1742 on: July 20, 2008, 03:43:34 PM »
Okay, let's say...for the past couple of years... :t
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« Reply #1743 on: July 20, 2008, 06:58:23 PM »
Quote from: Angus on July 20, 2008, 03:43:34 PM
Okay, let's say...for the past couple of years... :t

So now we prove multi-decadal trends in 100,000+ year time scales on just the last couple of years?

This has always been my problem with the AGW doctrine.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1744 on: July 21, 2008, 06:08:44 AM »
Well, if you want to stretch it a bit further, it is estimated that the N-pole cap has been around for a million years, even two. Now if that one disappear, you can safely assume that it isn't exactly cooling, and a temp record has been set for that period.
About the doomsday theory with CO2 (which I don't quite swallow on its own), bear in mind that before we make planetary records of CO2, oil will be gone or too expensive,  - give or take...with a grain of salt.
The more scary factor is the methane.
So, if we are in a solar active trend, and we aid it with both greenhouse gasses and large changes on the surface of the earth, well, then you may see us in trouble...
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1745 on: July 21, 2008, 06:28:58 AM »
I have never in my life seen people complain and gnash teeth over nice weather before.
This is a new one.
The climate has changed, is changing and will change in the future. It always has, always will and if by chance it doesn`t, then enjoy.
The man made global warming hoax has been blown out of the water in so many ways it`s ridiculous.
It`s all about the money. Spend yours if you wish on a scam, but leave me an the thousands of people who are already in trouble over this around the globe out of it. Man has not and will not change the climate any way in the foreseeable future.
Man.........I`d like to run the old shell game on some here. Hook , line and sinker.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1746 on: July 21, 2008, 06:56:55 AM »
So the N-Pole cap melting is a hoax?
Or Hurricanes originating in the S-Atlantic (as predicted)?
BTW, I'm getting a Hurricane today whoo-hoo. In July. Here.
Probably never happened before....

Anyway, I'll call anyone a "hoaxer" who claims that all of mens work have no effect on climate at all.....
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1747 on: July 21, 2008, 07:08:36 AM »
Ice has melted before. It has also formed before and is forming now. Nothing new there.
Hurricanes have been around a long time.
Nothing new there.
It`s weather and climate. It changes. Always has, always will.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1748 on: July 21, 2008, 08:05:49 AM »
sheesh..  we are going to start to cool.. it has been cooler since 98..  how do you even measure global temp anyhow?   How do you measure the temp of your own skin?  is it the temp of your nose?  your feet?   somewhere between your buttcheeks?

What bad things have happened?  is this a world record for temp for  all time?   is this the worst hurricane season ever?   and what if it happened that it was (it isn't)?   Some year has to be.. name me one day that is like any other ever.

It has been pleasant.. it will likely stay pleasant for a few years and then we will cool off for a while.. then in time.. it will get warm again.

It is 5 degrees cooler than normal today and yesterday here.  don't mean a thing.. if it rained here today then it would be a one in 100 year thing but no prediction of impending doom.. no harbinger of the great flood..

Relax and enjoy... or just get through it.. because...

You can't do anything about the weather.

lazs
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« Reply #1749 on: July 21, 2008, 08:22:42 AM »
The " I am looking out the window and............" approach would be funny as hell if one were transported to Texas for a while.
Want weather change here, just blink a few times.  :D
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1750 on: July 21, 2008, 10:47:45 AM »
Quote from: Jackal1 on July 21, 2008, 07:08:36 AM
Ice has melted before. It has also formed before and is forming now. Nothing new there.
Hurricanes have been around a long time.
Nothing new there.
It`s weather and climate. It changes. Always has, always will.

In the times of civilization, what is happening now in a very short time, has not been seen before.
Actually you'd have to back-step that time some 100-200 times.
So, to us it is.
As well as hurricanes in places where there are no records of them forming, and in times of year with no records of the same, as well as living longer.
All are results of warming seawater.

And Lazs...you claimed that we were cooling, now you take a backstep?
Yeh, sure, we have some tiny pockets of air that are under bar, but the real mass, as well as the largest part of the atmosphere is warming.
Oh, and you may measure the temp with odd parts of your anatomy, I choose the temp gauge, and for some ride with a sense of realism, you can judge by flora & fauna, melting of ice, and the movements of various lifeforms.
I think that makes a decently more accurate measurement than your butt-cheek method. It might for instant vary with what you've just done with them, or to them, or how thick the insulation is in relation to the season etc  :devil
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1751 on: July 21, 2008, 01:29:43 PM »
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1752 on: July 21, 2008, 02:27:32 PM »
angus.. the temp of the globe is measured in many not so accurate ways.. the most honest say that it is +/- 2 degrees..  more than all the global warming "predicted" for the next century.   I say it is cooling.. I am well within the 2 degree +/- number.

There is a clear cooling trend from the 98 high.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1753 on: July 21, 2008, 03:17:39 PM »
Complete rubbish.
1. The records were falling in 2007, after 2005. HOT that was.
2. The ocean temp is rising, and as proved that is a factor with some zeros added to the energy of the atmosphere.
3. We are now topping any record in cap meltings.



4. I now know your instrument of measuring ...thank's for sharing:

"How do you measure the temp of your own skin?  is it the temp of your nose?  your feet?   somewhere between your buttcheeks?"

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1754 on: July 21, 2008, 04:46:37 PM »
Quote from: Angus on July 21, 2008, 03:17:39 PM

3. We are now topping any record in cap meltings.




Yet global sea ice area has stayed within +/- 2 E6 sq KM since 1979
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