General Climate Discussion

[Angus]

SL is rising. Glaciers are shrinking. Quite logical I'd say.
Yet we have people here that claim it's cooling.
Now isn't that a bit silly ?

[DMBEAR]

Dudes and Dudettes...The Sun will envelop the inner planets.  Then and only then will the argument stop.   Ahhhh, the future will be so peaceful.

[pallero]

Did you even read what's in your hyper?

So, you don't believe in anthropogenic climate change, because it got warmer when the sun's solar wind was at a 50 year low?  Interesting, I'd like to hear your side of that.

Warmer? Mmgw is bs. This planet is cooling.

Tuesday we will get some interesting news form NASA.

Here is something from that project: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/20feb_coolmystery.htm

[MORAY37]

We'll see how SC24 goes.  Finally, three sunspots that have lasted more than a day, showed up.  It seems that even though the cycle started in January, that it's just getting warmed up.
With the posting of some new research http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/jul/30/melting-permafrost-poses-threats-infrastructure-al/ on the melting of permafrost in Alaska and in Siberia......If this is finally the start of a new sunspot maximum, I think that we're all going to be very interested observers in, say 16 to 24 months... when the real output from the sun starts, combined with the gases already in the atmosphere.  There is a distinct probability that this "cooling off" period has simply coincided with the end of Cycle 23.  We'll just hafta see how this next few go.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_mag/1024/latest.html

[MORAY37]

Warmer? Mmgw is bs. This planet is cooling.

Tuesday we will get some interesting news form NASA.

Here is something from that project: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/20feb_coolmystery.htm

By the way... how do you get that anthropogenic climate shift is false... from a study that was surprised to find that one of the sun's poles is cooler than the other?  They since figured out why, and it is similar to the reasons why the south pole of the earth is colder than the north.   At no point in your link is there a causal link of any conjecture to the cooler south solar pole to the climate of the earth. 

Do you possess critical thinking skills at all???.... one must wonder.

[pallero]

Here is news, cant tell is it good or bad. We will see.
This may be the reason why this planet is cooling.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/23sep_solarwind.htm

[Holden McGroin]

"Not North America... Shasta's glaciers are growing, as well as some in Alaska."

 I saw Mendenhall Glacier (Juneau) in July. Its shrinking. Very noticeablely.  Which ones are growing in Alaska?

Hubbard Glacier has been advancing for more than 100 years and has closed the entrance to Russell Fiord twice during the last 16 years, and was close to closing it again in spring 2008

[Stalwart]

Dudes and Dudettes...The Sun will envelop the inner planets.

That will probably happen a long time before you can beat me in a Hurri II Bear   

[Angus]

Hubbard Glacier has been advancing for more than 100 years and has closed the entrance to Russell Fiord twice during the last 16 years, and was close to closing it again in spring 2008

How big is that one? I recall your quote on Mont Blanc as an example, but the size is like a peanut....

[Holden McGroin]

How big is that one? I recall your quote on Mont Blanc as an example, but the size is like a peanut....

Hubbard Glacier is a tidewater glacier in the U.S. state of Alaska and the Yukon Territory of Canada. From its source in the Yukon, the glacier stretches 122 km to the sea at Yakutat Bay and Disenchantment Bay. It is the longest tidewater glacier in Alaska, with an open calving face over ten kilometers wide.

[MORAY37]

Let's just Debunk Hubbard first.

Hubbard Glacier is the largest tidewater glacier on the North American continent. It has been thickening and advancing toward the Gulf of Alaska since it was first mapped by the International Boundary Commission in 1895 (Davidson, 1903). This is in stark contrast  with most glaciers, which have thinned and retreated during  the last century.  This atypical behavior is an important example of the calving glacier cycle in which glacier advance and retreat is controlled more by the mechanics of terminus calving than by climate fluctuations. If Hubbard Glacier continues to advance, it will close the seaward entrance of Russell Fiord and create the largest glacier-dammed lake on the North American continent in historic times.

http://ak.water.usgs.gov/glaciology/hubbard/

[MORAY37]

Hubbard Glacier has been advancing for more than 100 years and has closed the entrance to Russell Fiord twice during the last 16 years, and was close to closing it again in spring 2008

http://ak.water.usgs.gov/glaciology/hubbard/

Hubbard Glacier is the largest tidewater glacier on the North American continent. It has been thickening and advancing toward the Gulf of Alaska since it was first mapped by the International Boundary Commission in 1895 (Davidson, 1903). This is in stark contrast  with most glaciers, which have thinned and retreated during  the last century.  This atypical behavior is an important example of the calving glacier cycle in which glacier advance and retreat is controlled more by the mechanics of terminus calving than by climate fluctuations. If Hubbard Glacier continues to advance, it will close the seaward entrance of Russell Fiord and create the largest glacier-dammed lake on the North American continent in historic times.

All it takes is just a wee little bit of research there, Holden.

[Holden McGroin]

http://ak.water.usgs.gov/glaciology/hubbard/

All it takes is just a wee little bit of research there, Holden.

I saw that...  that a glacier can retreat and advance and not be an indicator of climate is kind of the point.

The snows of Kilamanjaro advance and retreat due more to local influences is kind of the point. 

That Shastas glaciers advance and retreat due more to local influences is kind of the point.

I was pointing out that "all the glaciers on all the continents are on the retreat" is not a factual statement.

All it takes is a wee little bit of research there, Moray.

[MORAY37]

I saw that...  that a glacier can retreat and advance and not be an indicator of climate is kind of the point.

The snows of Kilamanjaro advance and retreat due more to local influences is kind of the point. 

That Shastas glaciers advance and retreat due more to local influences is kind of the point.

I was pointing out that "all the glaciers on all the continents are on the retreat" is not a factual statement.

All it takes is a wee little bit of research there, Moray.

I never said anything to the contrary....yet please look at the placement of the word "atypical".  Specifically in relation to THIS glacier.  Could you please tell the kiddies what "atypical" means again?

[Hangtime]

I never said anything to the contrary....yet please look at the placement of the word "atypical".  Specifically in relation to THIS glacier.  Could you please tell the kiddies what "atypical" means again?

turtle.