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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2007, 05:07:35 PM »
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Originally posted by Coshy
It was a simple printed sign that said no firearms allowed.

I'm not trolling or looking to stir the pot, I'm really wondering how this is possible. How can a government agency tell me I cant carry a firearm? There are no signs saying I cant, for example, give a speech on my thoughts about the substitution of high frutcose corn syrup for sugar in my soda. Nor are they telling me I dont have the right to vote while on their premises (19th ammendment).

I can understand the purpose of prohibiting firearms, but I cant seem to wrap my head around how they are legally able to do it.

As for the rest of the spectators ... I'm actually seriously looking for how this is right. I really can't wrap my head around it.


Somewhere on the sign is usually the code section reference, and those always have a long list of exceptions...for cops et al.

But its nice to know signs like that are there, just a reminder to the crips, bloods, cholos and other criminals to leave their illegal carried firearm in the car this time... they took the time to make a sign so they must really mean it.

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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2007, 05:25:37 PM »
the term Militia in the 2nd Ammendment was meant to reference all those people who had their own weapons and were able to come together to help fight threats.  Exactly as what happened in the Revolutionary war.
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« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2007, 07:18:31 PM »
Thats not what the Supreme Court decided in the late 90s.

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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2007, 07:39:03 PM »
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Thats not what the Supreme Court decided in the late 90s.


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« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2007, 10:49:52 PM »
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Thats not what the Supreme Court decided in the late 90s.


Please enlighten us. I'm not aware of any major supreme court decisions since Miller that remotely touch the core of the issue. Poor abused Miller, that seems to guarantee my right to own a select fire, M-16 more than anything else.

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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2007, 10:56:57 PM »
Simply put.... the law allows one to carry in most states with a license from the state you intend to carry in. The law also allows for any business or public venue to prohibit firearms at their discretion.
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2007, 11:03:31 PM »
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Hey Straffo, there's actually quite an active AR-15 shooting community in France. You guys are actually pretty cool by European gun law standards :aok

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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2007, 11:06:54 PM »
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Originally posted by Coshy
I had some errands to run today, two were to local government offices, DHHR and DMV. Both places had prominent signage stating carrying a firearm was prohibited.

As these are government agencies isn't them prohibiting firearms an infringement of my right to bear arms?

I'm just really curious how this works. I'm sure its the same for other government buildings, post offices, courthouses, etc.

Any insight or comments?


does the government or any of its agencies own the actual building?

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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2007, 11:58:27 PM »
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« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2007, 12:17:34 AM »
hehehe, that pic has been stolen

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« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2007, 07:17:07 AM »
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Seems to point to the fact that you don't have the individual right to bear arms unless you're in a militia.
 


A common misconception.  The Bill of Rights addresses individual rights, not public or State's rights.
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« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2007, 09:02:56 AM »
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Cept that your forgetting the fact that if your a US citizen
You ARE the militia



Yaeh, but the Gummint needs to supply me with more fiber if they want me to be well regulated.

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« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2007, 10:29:04 AM »
yep... I know of no supreme court ruling that says that the second is not a right of the people.

The most recent ruling in DC was that it was indeed an individual right.

I think that anyone thinking of voting for democrats as a "protest" or some worthless independent should realize that a supreme court with a couple of hillary apointments would destroy the country...... starting with the constitution.

What good are amendments that give the government power?  The second is to  make sure that the government does not usurp the peoples rights... as are all the rest.

Why anyone would want to disarm the people tho is beyond me.  What kind of person is afraid of his neighbor being able to defend himself?  

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