F4u-4c

[AKDogg]

F4U-4
As XF4U-4, 6 wing guns, rocket pylons, later aircraft
had flat windscreen panel, forward mast deleted.
1753 as F4U-4.
297 as F4U-4B, 4 wing mounted M3 cannons.
300 as F4U-4C, 20mm wing cannons.  <---- what are the chances for this baby, hehehehe.  Or even the 4b.  In my dreams I guess.

[TUXC]

Pretty sure the -4 with 20mm was used in Korea only, not WWII. Otherwise could be the best prop fighter in the game.

[Saxman]

-4 is already the best prop, cannon would just make her even nastier.

However Tux has it, the cannon-armed F4U-4s didn't appear until Korea.

[AKDogg]

Well according to this it was in WWII.


The first 300 of the production F4U-4Cs were assigned to Marine Air Group 31 and were taken into the Battle for Okinawa aboard the escort carriers Sitko Bay and Bereton.


Here is a list of all WWII aircraft used in the war.  Notice the F4U-4c is listed.

http://www.paralumun.com/wartwoaircraftunitedstates.htm

[Saxman]

That sounds suspiciously like the history for F4U-1Cs in the PTO.

Also, from what I can gather the designation -4C was VERY short-lived. When the FAA orders for the -4 (F4U-4B) were canceled, the designation was recycled for use by the USN/MC. Thus all cannon-armed F4U-4s were re-designated F4U-4B by the time of the Korean War (so technically, there WERE no F4U-4Cs).

[Lusche]

Originally posted by AKDogg
Well according to this it was in WWII.


The first 300 of the production F4U-4Cs were assigned to Marine Air Group 31 and were taken into the Battle for Okinawa aboard the escort carriers Sitko Bay and Bereton.


Here is a list of all WWII aircraft used in the war.  Notice the F4U-4c is listed.

http://www.paralumun.com/wartwoaircraftunitedstates.htm

Just FYI, there are several planes in that list that didn't see any action in WWII.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Saxman
That sounds suspiciously like the history for F4U-1Cs in the PTO.

Also, from what I can gather the designation -4C was VERY short-lived. When the FAA orders for the -4 (F4U-4B) were canceled, the designation was recycled for use by the USN/MC. Thus all cannon-armed F4U-4s were re-designated F4U-4B by the time of the Korean War (so technically, there WERE no F4U-4Cs).

As far as I can determine, the Navy F4U-4Bs began being delivered in July of 1945 with the last delivery in April of 1946. None saw combat in WWII.

My regards,

Widewing

[Karnak]

Originally posted by AKDogg
Well according to this it was in WWII.


The first 300 of the production F4U-4Cs were assigned to Marine Air Group 31 and were taken into the Battle for Okinawa aboard the escort carriers Sitko Bay and Bereton.


Here is a list of all WWII aircraft used in the war.  Notice the F4U-4c is listed.

http://www.paralumun.com/wartwoaircraftunitedstates.htm

There are some photos of F4U-1Cs that were mislabeled as F4U-4Cs and that has caused people to claim F4U-4Cs saw service in WWII.  HiTech/Pyro even had the F4U-4C in Warbirds 2 for a bit due to that before research (their's or a player's, I don't recall) showed that the F4U-4C in WWII claims were based on mislabled photos of F4U-1Cs.  Hence in AH we just got the F4U-1C strait out.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by AKDogg
F4U-4
As XF4U-4, 6 wing guns, rocket pylons, later aircraft
had flat windscreen panel, forward mast deleted.
1753 as F4U-4.
297 as F4U-4B, 4 wing mounted M3 cannons.
300 as F4U-4C, 20mm wing cannons.  <---- what are the chances for this baby, hehehehe.  Or even the 4b.  In my dreams I guess.

What for so u can now be super uber in a -4 LOL

[AquaShrimp]

Was the M3 cannon a major improvement over the M2 cannon?

[SEseph]

many planes were way better than what we have here, they just get limited noting because it was the end of the war. Examples:


Air Group Title         P-51H
Air Group Notes         The last version of the P-51 and one of the fastest
         piston-engined fighters of the war.
Aircraft Specifications          
   Power Plant:    One Packard Rolls-Royce Merlin V-1650-9
         twelve-cylinder Vee, liquid-cooled engine rated
         at 2,218 HP.
   Armament:       6 - 0.50in MG.  Maximum bombload of 2,000lbs or
         six - 5in rockets.        
   Performance:    Maximum Speed 487 mph, Combat Radius 780 miles
         (with max external fuel), Service Ceiling 41,600 feet;
         Initial Climb rate 3,300 ft/min.
   Weights:        6,600 lbs empty, 9,600 lbs loaded      
   Dimensions:     Wingspan, 37 ft.; Length, 33 ft. 4 in.; Height, 8 ft. 10 in.;
         Wing Area, 235 sq ft.

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Air Group Title         P-47M
Air Group Notes         A high-speed, stripped-down version designed to cope
         with enemy jets and flying bombs.  Designed primarily
         as an interceptor.
Aircraft Specifications            
   Power Plant:    One Pratt & Whitney R-2800-57 eighteen-cylinder,
         air-cooled radial engine rated at 2,800 HP.      
   Armament:       8 - 0.50in machine guns.        
   Performance:    Maximum Speed 470 mph, Combat Radius 480 miles (with            
         maximum external fuel), Service Ceiling 40,000 feet;
         Initial Climb rate 3,500 ft/min.      
   Weights:        10,400 lbs empty, 13,300 lbs loaded    
   Dimensions:     Wingspan, 40 ft. 9 in; Length, 36 ft. 4 in.;
         Height, 14 ft. 7 in.; Wing Area, 322 sq ft.

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Air Group Title         Spitfire XXI
Air Group Notes         The last major version of the Spitfire to see action.

Aircraft Specifications
   Power Plant:    One Rolls-Royce Griffon 61 twelve-cylinder Vee
         liquid-cooled engine rated at 2,050 HP.
   Armament:       4 - 20mm Hispano cannon.   A maximum bombload
         of 1,000 lbs when used as a fighter-bomber.
   Performance:    Maximum Speed 456 mph, Combat Radius 420 miles with
         external fuel, Initial Climb Rate 3,000 ft/min,  
         Service Ceiling up to 43,500 feet.
   Weights:        6,900 lbs empty, 9,200 lbs loaded
   Dimensions:     Wingspan, 36 ft. 11 in; Length, 32 ft. 8 in.;
         Height, 13 ft. 6 in.; Wing Area, 244 sq ft.

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Air Group Title         Meteor III
Air Group Notes         The first version of the Meteor to be built in significant
         quantities. Much improved over the Meteor I.
Aircraft Specifications
   Power Plant:    Two Rolls-Royce Derwent I turbojets each rated
         at 2,000lbs s.t.
   Armament:       4 - 20mm Mk III Hispano cannon.
   Performance:    Maximum Speed 493 mph, Combat Radius 660 miles,
         Initial Climb Rate 4,000 ft/min,  
         Service Ceiling 44,000 feet.
   Weights:        8,800 lbs empty, 13,300 lbs loaded
   Dimensions:     Wingspan, 43 ft.; Length, 41 ft. 3 in.;
         Height, 13 ft.; Wing Area, 374 sq ft.

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Air Group Title         La-9
Air Group Notes         The last wartime Lavochkin fighter.  Similar to the
         La-7 but very different structurally.  Saw limited
         action in the final stages of the war.
Aircraft Specifications
   Power Plant:    One Shvetsov ASh-82FNV fourteen-cylinder, air-cooled
         radial engine rated at 1,870 HP.
   Armament:       4 - 20mm ShVAK cannon.
   Performance:    Maximum Speed 430 mph, Combat Radius 540 miles,
         Initial Climb Rate 4,000 ft/min,  
         Service Ceiling 36,500 feet.
   Weights:        7,000 lbs empty, 8,500 lbs loaded
   Dimensions:     Wingspan, 34 ft. 9 in; Length, 30 ft. 2 in.;
         Height, 9 ft. 8 in; Wing Area, N/A sq ft.

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Air Group Title         IL-10
Air Group Notes         The successor to the well-liked IL-2 Sturmovik.  Very
         similar in capability with improved speed and combat
         radius primarily.
   
Aircraft Specifications
   Power Plant:    One Mikulin AM-42 twelve-cylinder, liquid-cooled
         engine rated at 2,000 HP at take off.
   Armament:       2 - 20mm VYa cannon, fixed forward firing.  1 - 20mm
         VYa cannon in rear dorsal turret.  Maximum Bombload
         of 1,325 lbs.
   Performance:    Maximum Speed 315 mph, Combat Radius 300 miles,
         Climb Rate NA, Service Ceiling 24,600 feet.
   Weights:        9,500 lbs empty, 13,900 lbs loaded
   Dimensions:     Wingspan, 45 ft. 7 in; Length, 40 ft.;
         Height, 11 ft 6 in; Wing Area, N/A.

[Ongurth]

Air Group Title La-9
Air Group Notes The last wartime Lavochkin fighter. Similar to the
La-7 but very different structurally. Saw limited
action in the final stages of the war.
Aircraft Specifications
Power Plant: One Shvetsov ASh-82FNV fourteen-cylinder, air-cooled
radial engine rated at 1,870 HP.
Armament: 4 - 20mm ShVAK cannon.
Performance: Maximum Speed 430 mph, Combat Radius 540 miles,
Initial Climb Rate 4,000 ft/min,
Service Ceiling 36,500 feet.
Weights: 7,000 lbs empty, 8,500 lbs loaded
Dimensions: Wingspan, 34 ft. 9 in; Length, 30 ft. 2 in.;
Height, 9 ft. 8 in; Wing Area, N/A sq ft.

That's the absolute last thing we need.

A perked Meteor might be fun, though.

[TUXC]

Originally posted by SEseph
many planes were way better than what we have here, they just get limited noting because it was the end of the war. Examples:


Air Group Title         P-51H


Air Group Title         P-47M

Air Group Title         Spitfire XXI

Air Group Title         Meteor III


Air Group Title         La-9


Air Group Title         IL-10

Double-check a few of those planes:

P-51H never saw combat.
Spitfire 21 never engaged the enemy.
La-9 was a 1946 fighter and therefore missed WWII.

Meteor III was used for ground attack at end of war.
P-47M did see combat at the end of the war with 56th Fighter Group.
Il-10 was used in the war.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by TUXC
Double-check a few of those planes:

P-51H never saw combat.

This can be argued to some degree. A small number of P-51H fighters were deployed to Iwo Jima, and flew some local patrols while pilots got checked out in the new fighter. No Japanese were encountered.

Like the F7F-2N, the P-51H was there in small numbers, neither type had an opportunity to fire their guns in anger. Of course, the F8F-1 was aboard a carrier, just days from joining McCain's fleet off of Japan.

I would not object to any of these being added at some future date (perked accordingly). However, they had zero impact on the war and there's many significant aircraft not represented at all.

My regards,

Widewing

[humble]

As much as we talk about planes that "might" eventually make the cut )(I hope we get the F7F one day) there is a single glaring ommision in the current set. That is the option for a 2x20mm, 4 x .50 cal load out in the F6F-5. This plane was engineered for that loadout at the factory and every single F6F-5 ever built had that cabability. In fact F6F-5s were actually delivered to the fleet in that configuration and swaped back out because the required links for the 20mm rounds could not be located prior to departure. However 1465 20mm "N" models saw service as well as a nuber of P models (which were also 20mm equipped).

The F6F-5P's of VOF-1 saw action in the invasion of Southern France and over 900 royal navy F6F-5s flew in the 2 x 20mm configuration. So roughly 10x as many 20mm F6F's were actually in combat then the Nikki or Ta-152 we already have.