Author Topic: Avengers setting up camp (Read 1334 times)

raptor33 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 06, 2007, 01:36:00 PM »

And I have been enjoying my time with you as well Storch. But I gotta tell you...I nearly gave in last night and it may have cost us a capture. You recall the one and ONLY time I shot you down? It was early in our raid. All of the ack were dead and I had dropped my ordnance on the town and was assigned to cap the field. I watched you roll...I believe you in a 110 and someone else rolled in a 190. I could have and should have taken both of you beofre you left the RW. Instead, I waited for you to clear the field, gain a little alt and then I dove in for the easy pickens. Sure I had an advantage...a major advantage.....but truth is, I had an even bigger advantage whilke your wheels were still rolling...but I hesitated as I did not want to be called a vulcher...and the hesitation gave the 190 time to get some E.....
In the future, if I am assigend to cap, I will nail any rollers. Believe me, I will not be bragging about a kill like that...or even 10 kills like that. Takes no skill to do it...but if all goes well, the mission will have bragging rights.
This being said, you guys in the AvA are outstanding sticks. Better than most I have come across in WB's AND AH. Once teh AVengers are up to speed, we are going to have a hell of a time in there....all of us...And you will not be rolling a field we are hitting. No....you, Storch, will come out of nowhere with 15K alt and naiol my butt....and we will both laugh about it all noight long...
Cya Thursday
~~Raptor33~~

storch · « **Reply #16 on:** November 06, 2007, 02:36:36 PM »

I recall. raptor you will seldomly find me above 8k. I don't have the patience to climb for that long. looking forward to running up against you guys as well

Solar10 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 06, 2007, 05:11:12 PM »

I might just have to be there for the killing spree. You flying Allied or Axis.

Either way I'm on the opposite side in a Mossie or 190.

Hope to see you Wednesday.

Larry · « **Reply #18 on:** November 06, 2007, 09:49:03 PM »

Lutrel and the rest of the "Avengers" all I have to say to or about you is you guys suck, even in mass. All of you should go to the TA and stay there untill you learn how to fight a 1 v 1.

Slash27 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 06, 2007, 09:50:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Larry
Lutrel and the rest of the "Avengers" all I have to say to or about you is you guys suck, even in mass. All of you should go to the TA and stay there untill you learn how to fight a 1 v 1.

classy:aok

Trukk · « **Reply #20 on:** November 07, 2007, 04:27:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Larry
Lutrel and the rest of the "Avengers" all I have to say to or about you is you guys suck, even in mass. All of you should go to the TA and stay there untill you learn how to fight a 1 v 1.

Heh, reminds me of the Japanese attitude towards the Americans early in the war.

raptor33 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 07, 2007, 09:38:07 AM »

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Lutrel and the rest of the "Avengers" all I have to say to or about you is you guys suck, even in mass. All of you should go to the TA and stay there untill you learn how to fight a 1 v 1.

Thanks for the suggestion Trukill. I put sopme thought into the idea and I decided I would prefer practicing against someone with a little talent. I would suggest you, but you seemed quite content to sit in a tiger on our runway at the spwn point to get your kills. I guess that works for you. To me, it would be too boring.....
On a more intelligent note (You can go now trukill...you are dismissed )...does anyone know of a sound pak that will allow me to hear the change in engine pitch as my energy increases? We had that in WB's and I gotta tell ya....I got used to it. Energy management without change in pitch is a lot more difficult....I have compressed more than I would like in the arena. Any suggestions?

Raptor33::

humble · « **Reply #22 on:** November 07, 2007, 10:08:44 AM »

Compression has nothing to do with E management. If your in a "fight" and you compress then either you were attacking downhill and have a very poor grasp of proper ACM or you were trying to bug out and really werent fighting. E management actually has very little to do with having more E then the other guy. It's about utilzing the E you have correctly under the circumstances at hand. I flew WB a bit back in 97 or 98 so I have no real feel for it vs AH...here the best indicator for speed is wind noise in addition your plane will creak a bit (or in the a-20's case creak alot:)) when you reach a certain speed/G load combo. Given the fact that "same on same" fights arent possbile in the AvA you should never really compress here. At some point between 325 and 460 (under the compression speed for every plane) you will have a distinct advantage of some kind you can utilize to even the fight back out.

The other possibility is that your confusing elevator authority with compression and your dive angle is to steep...

As for the TA, if you guys havent taken advantage of it you should. We're blessed with a very talented bunch of trainers and regardless of your skill level I'm sure both you and all of your squadmates would gain some benifit.

I'm sure that WB has (or did have) its share of talented sticks but I've been "flying" since the early 90's and havent seen as strong a group of trainers anywhere.

storch · « **Reply #23 on:** November 07, 2007, 10:11:08 AM »

actually raptor TK is a very skilled player. you may want to take some DA time with him and see for yourself.

I like mitsu's sound pack

raptor33 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 07, 2007, 10:17:15 AM »

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Originally posted by humble
Compression has nothing to do with E management. If your in a "fight" and you compress then either you were attacking downhill and have a very poor grasp of proper ACM or you were trying to bug out and really werent fighting. E management actually has very little to do with having more E then the other guy. It's about utilzing the E you have correctly under the circumstances at hand. I flew WB a bit back in 97 or 98 so I have no real feel for it vs AH...here the best indicator for speed is wind noise in addition your plane will creak a bit (or in the a-20's case creak alot:)) when you reach a certain speed/G load combo. Given the fact that "same on same" fights arent possbile in the AvA you should never really compress here. At some point between 325 and 460 (under the compression speed for every plane) you will have a distinct advantage of some kind you can utilize to even the fight back out.

The other possibility is that your confusing elevator authority with compression and your dive angle is to steep...

As for the TA, if you guys havent taken advantage of it you should. We're blessed with a very talented bunch of trainers and regardless of your skill level I'm sure both you and all of your squadmates would gain some benifit.

I'm sure that WB has (or did have) its share of talented sticks but I've been "flying" since the early 90's and havent seen as strong a group of trainers anywhere.

Thanks Humble...let me explain. When in a p38, I sometimes like to go into a dive to increase my energy (and speed)...In wb's, I knew where I had to pull out of the dive to then be able to go into a vertical to acheive 0 E and then, of course, full E following the filp. When I try to do that in AH, I find that I get caught in the dive too long and thus I compress. E management was the wrong term to use...but the engine pitch always helped me to decide when to pull out of the dive as I was tryiong to increase my energy,
Raptor33

raptor33 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 07, 2007, 10:23:28 AM »

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actually raptor TK is a very skilled player. you may want to take some DA time with him and see for yourself.

I like mitsu's sound pack

LOL...I have no doubt Trukill is a great stick. If he wasnt, I wouldnt enjoy the bantering with him as much as I do. Besides, a lousy stick, I would doubt, would trash talk like he does. But I have some great teachers...Lutrell being the best.....but thanks for the advice.
Cya tonight Storch?

Raptor33

Solar10 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 07, 2007, 11:49:23 AM »

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Thanks Humble...let me explain. When in a p38, I sometimes like to go into a dive to increase my energy (and speed)...In wb's, I knew where I had to pull out of the dive to then be able to go into a vertical to acheive 0 E and then, of course, full E following the filp. When I try to do that in AH, I find that I get caught in the dive too long and thus I compress. E management was the wrong term to use...but the engine pitch always helped me to decide when to pull out of the dive as I was tryiong to increase my energy,
Raptor33

You are confusing speed with Energy. Your energy is either potential or kinetic. At the top of a loop with slow speed you have high potential energy that you can use to gain speed. By diving you turn the potential energy into kinetic energy - speed.

The only way to increase your total energy is to use the power of the engine to, gain speed (increase kinetic energy) or gain altitude (gain potential energy).

humble · « **Reply #27 on:** November 07, 2007, 12:08:41 PM »

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Originally posted by raptor33
Thanks Humble...let me explain. When in a p38, I sometimes like to go into a dive to increase my energy (and speed)...In wb's, I knew where I had to pull out of the dive to then be able to go into a vertical to acheive 0 E and then, of course, full E following the filp. When I try to do that in AH, I find that I get caught in the dive too long and thus I compress. E management was the wrong term to use...but the engine pitch always helped me to decide when to pull out of the dive as I was tryiong to increase my energy,
Raptor33

Actually you are talking about E management. Your diving to increase speed with the idea that your going to use the 38's zoom to recapture that E and "flip" the other guy at the end of a rope. A couple of elements come into play...as your speed increases your plane gets less efficient as it nears compression...once its buffeting your bleeding E. Additionally you require more input and higher G loading to pull out. You never want to be anywhere near vertical as you come close...you lose more E on a hard pull out then you gained....

Your manuever doesnt occur in a vacum, its in relation to the other guy and his E state and position. The 38 is heavier then your opposition...it has more E at a given speed then its opponent. So if you go nose down vs a higher con you will accelerate down quicker and actually reach a co-e or slightly positive E state pretty quickly. The goal is to drop the nose and quickly gain E then pull back up (smoothly) and initiate a climbing rolling scissors (or similiar). The con is in a reactive situation since he's forced to respond to your moves to maintain his angular advantage. He will almost always use heavier control inputs...this scrubs E...so he reacts to your dive, then reacts to your climb, then reacts to your rolling scissors...all in a plane that has less potential E and less stability in the vertical.

Good 38 drivers never dive....they porpoise and continue to work the fight up....not down. If your diving the 38 in a fight at any time in any circumstance you dont know how to fly it.

lutrel · « **Reply #28 on:** November 07, 2007, 12:33:45 PM »

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Lutrel and the rest of the "Avengers" all I have to say to or about you is you guys suck, even in mass. All of you should go to the TA and stay there untill you learn how to fight a 1 v 1.

Just gotta hate it when those panties wad up..................

WMLute · « **Reply #29 on:** November 07, 2007, 12:55:47 PM »

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LOL...I have no doubt Trukill is a great stick. If he wasnt, I wouldnt enjoy the bantering with him as much as I do. Besides, a lousy stick, I would doubt, would trash talk like he does.
Raptor33

Skill or ability has not a thing to do with Trukill's mouth.

Never has, and probably never will.

Grab a trainer like Widewing, badboy, murdr, etc. and let them train you a few times. It'll shave off 6 months of your learning curve.

Welcome to AcesHigh! I have a squaddie named "Chapel" who just came from WB's. What's w/ the mass exodous? Wild Bill finally kill it off doing something more dumb than usual?

Oh, and if you are an S3 player, make sure to click the Calendar button @ the top of the BBS. AcesHigh has some events that you would love. From first impressions you and your squad would LOVE Friday Nigh Squad Ops. 300+ players in there every friday night.

(Chapel told me that this last Scenario we did blew away anything you'd find in S3 which is high praise indeed)