I am disgusted beyond belief

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Dichotomy
Normally I do my best to stay away from controversial subjects but, IN MY OPINION, this is taking 'freedom of speech' way too far.  I am literally nauseous.

We Support the soldier, but not the mission

Actually it isnt.
I dont like what they are doing either but Freedom of speach was so that you and I could be critical of our government.

that being said

Just about every soldier I've talk to said if you want to support the soldier then you support their mission.
and if you arent supportive of the mission then you arent supporting them and should just STFU

their words not mine

bottom line is the time for arguing if we should have gone in or not is long outdated by the fact we are there.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No, it doesn't. And the 1st Amendment DOES NOT protect EVERY form of speech, nor was it intended to.

No, it protects the ability to say what you mean to say.  Ostensibly, the first ammendment does protect every form of speech, unless it violates another citizen's rights. You can NOT be restrained from voicing your thoughts or opinions.  It does not protect the individual from punishment arriving from trespass of free speech onto another citizen's rights.

[SOB]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Back in 1991 I was fresh out of HS and turned down a 4 year hitch in the US Army.  

Fast forward to August, the Ann Arbor Art Fair was fun.   Bunch of folks walking around getting $25 fines for smoking joints.  

I turn the corner with some of my friends, and I sprint away.    I rounded the building first and saw someone burning the American flag.    There was a cop standing 20 feet from these guys.   I lunge at the person holding it, and proceed to pound him to a bloody pulp.  

I get up and walk up to the cop and said, "You gonna arrest me?"    The cop replied "Hell no, between you and me, I was waiting for someone to beat the ***** out of him."


To burn a mock soldier is the one way ticket to "get out of the country with all you can carry with two hands and don't return."    Same with flag burning.

It is ONLY "free speech", so as long as you do not infringe on the rights of others.    They're still pu**ies nonetheless.

So, you beat someone "to a bloody pulp" because you didn't like what they were doing?  If you're not telling stories, that cop should get a reprimand or be fired, and you should likely have a felony record now.  That kind of anti-social behavior shouldn't be tolerated.

[AquaShrimp]

In 91, August I think, I was at an art fair in Ann Arbor.  I had been walking around all the booths with my girlfriend, and we were having a good time.  But she had to work, so she left and I was there by myself.  Well, I saw this beautiful hand woven American flag, and I just had to buy it before I left.  I paid a hefty sum for it ($200), which was alot of money in those days.  

Well it was getting late so I started walking outside of the main building.  Then I noticed something, a tag on the flag.  It was dark so I pulled out my lighter to examine it closer.  The flag wasn't hand woven afterall, tag said "Made in China"!  So as I stood there, steaming mad, I inadvertantly set the flag on fire.  I tried blowing on it, stomping it, swinging it over my shoulder, but the fire wouldn't go out!  The dyes in it were highly flammable, nearly impossible to extinguish, yet slow burning.  I must have tried to put that flag out for twenty minutes.   I noticed a cop just standing behind me staring, not even willing to lend me a hand in putting out the fire.  Then out of nowhere, some idiot tackled me to the ground, and started punching me in the neck, face, and stomach.  I tried to tell him to stop, but so much blood was coming out of my mouth I couldn't talk.  I was beaten into a bloody pulp.

So that was my experience with freedom of speech.

[Slash27]

Originally posted by SOB
 If you're not telling stories, that cop should get a reprimand or be fired, and you should likely have a felony record now.  That kind of anti-social behavior shouldn't be tolerated.

Arson prevention.

[SOB]

LOL, Aqua

[Hornet33]

I wonder how those idiots would react if during one of their demonstrations a company of Marines walked up behind them in full battle dress and just stood there. Not saying a word, doing nothing but standing there at attention. I just wonder how those punks would conduct themselves then.

[Stang]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
In 91, August I think, I was at an art fair in Ann Arbor.  I had been walking around all the booths with my girlfriend, and we were having a good time.  But she had to work, so she left and I was there by myself.  Well, I saw this beautiful hand woven American flag, and I just had to buy it before I left.  I paid a hefty sum for it ($200), which was alot of money in those days.  

Well it was getting late so I started walking outside of the main building.  Then I noticed something, a tag on the flag.  It was dark so I pulled out my lighter to examine it closer.  The flag wasn't hand woven afterall, tag said "Made in China"!  So as I stood there, steaming mad, I inadvertantly set the flag on fire.  I tried blowing on it, stomping it, swinging it over my shoulder, but the fire wouldn't go out!  The dyes in it were highly flammable, nearly impossible to extinguish, yet slow burning.  I must have tried to put that flag out for twenty minutes.   I noticed a cop just standing behind me staring, not even willing to lend me a hand in putting out the fire.  Then out of nowhere, some idiot tackled me to the ground, and started punching me in the neck, face, and stomach.  I tried to tell him to stop, but so much blood was coming out of my mouth I couldn't talk.  I was beaten into a bloody pulp.

So that was my experience with freedom of speech.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by SOB
So, you beat someone "to a bloody pulp" because you didn't like what they were doing?  If you're not telling stories, that cop should get a reprimand or be fired, and you should likely have a felony record now.  That kind of anti-social behavior shouldn't be tolerated.

Why not?

Depends on what they were doing and who it is.

I've beat teh crap out of someone one time and the cop only took away the guy I beat the crap out of. While telling me to get the hell out of there.

Turns out I found out from the same cop the guy wasnt exactly one of the good guys.

When I asked him why he didnt take me in too. He winked and said.
"you got away" LOL

I've seen similar things happen numerous times.

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Hornet33
I wonder how those idiots would react if during one of their demonstrations a company of Marines walked up behind them in full battle dress and just stood there. Not saying a word, doing nothing but standing there at attention. I just wonder how those punks would conduct themselves then.

They would get in their Scion and yell " baby killers" from a block away at 60 mph.

[LEADPIG]

I can't believe that squealing ****, what... what the... Wtf was that??  I think you all know me and my positions on the war and the people that started it. But that seriously pisses me off. That's like spitting on soldiers in Vietnam when they came back, alot of them didn't have a choice, they were drafted. Even the ones that volunteer i salute there beliefs and guts.

What the hell does burning a fake soldier have to do with anything. The soldiers don't make the policies the elected civilian leadership does. If you don't like the war disagree with them or burn they're likeness instead. But for God sakes leave the soldiers out of it.  

****ing pitiful

[Rino]

Originally posted by SOB
So, you beat someone "to a bloody pulp" because you didn't like what they were doing?  If you're not telling stories, that cop should get a reprimand or be fired, and you should likely have a felony record now.  That kind of anti-social behavior shouldn't be tolerated.

On the plus side, girls can wear head scarves to school over here if they want
to.  As long as we are slinging arrows and all.  Oh yeah...as horrible as we are,
we haven't chopped the heads off of our political losers yet either.

[Dichotomy]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually it isnt.
I dont like what they are doing either but Freedom of speach was so that you and I could be critical of our government.

that being said

Just about every soldier I've talk to said if you want to support the soldier then you support their mission.
and if you arent supportive of the mission then you arent supporting them and should just STFU

their words not mine

bottom line is the time for arguing if we should have gone in or not is long outdated by the fact we are there.

Dreidock I said 'in my opinion'.  I didn't call for them to be arrested, beaten to a bloody pulp (although they could all use a good a## kicking) or sanctioned in any way.  However it is my opinion that sometimes freedom of speech is taken too far for common courtesy or plain simple decency.  

Martin Luther King practiced freedom of speech.  These guys are just a bunch of idiots that I don't want in my gene pool.

[SOB]

Originally posted by Rino
On the plus side, girls can wear head scarves to school over here if they want
to.  As long as we are slinging arrows and all.  Oh yeah...as horrible as we are,
we haven't chopped the heads off of our political losers yet either.

Actually, I was commenting on the actions of Karaya and the Cop, not the system of law in the U.S.  And in case you were wondering, I'm from Oregon.

[Jackal1]

Reminds me of the modern day Nazi thread we had recently.
All it does is bring them to light and let them make total morons out of themselves in the public eye.
A harm only to themselves.