Author Topic: Speaking of self defense / survival (Read 783 times)

eskimo2 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:14:43 PM »

They died. Our population explosion is partially due to our disease prevention.

AKIron · « **Reply #16 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:44:47 PM »

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Originally posted by eskimo2
They died. Our population explosion is partially due to our disease prevention.

And so shall we.

Maybe I'm wrong, I'm only an observer in this but it seems there are too many life prolonging but perhaps life inhibiting drugs being prescribed. Life is pain, endure and learn.

Shuffler · « **Reply #17 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:48:48 PM »

I'm extremely happy with my XD45 (ACP = automatic colt pistol). For me the XD has a more natural angle on the grip than the Glock. XD comes with a lifetime warrantee also comes in different barrel lengths for easier carry. Comes with a nice case, double magazine pouch, tactical holster, speed loader and two 13 round clips. It has a visual cocking indicator and loaded chamber indicator that you can feel in low light or no light conditions. XDs also have an integral rail for your light, laser or bridge.

Glock came out with their own version of 45 GAP... shorter casing, however because of the popularity of the ACP they have since offered their product in ACP also.

I use T.A.P. ammo from hornady in my carry and of course a less expensive ball ammo for punching paper.

For plinking I like my Walther P22 with bridge and red dot scope. Mine came in kit with a 3.4 and 5 inch barrel.

Hornet33 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:59:03 PM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
There mere fact that you put the word power in quotation marks, and reason number 3 on your list show me that you're not mature enough to own a gun yet. Perhaps a tazer or can of mace would be better.

And he has to prove his maturity to you in order to upgrade to a more "powerfull" weapon?

I suppose I shouldn't have any either because I like to go out to the hunting cabin and shoot guns while drinking beer with my friends. I also have a nice western double holster for my matching set of Ruger Blackhawk single six .357's and I twirl them around cowboy style for the fun of it.

God forbid someone has fun with their firearms.

Mark Luper · « **Reply #19 on:** October 25, 2007, 11:06:20 PM »

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Originally posted by JB73
that looks nice

I am quite happy with my Taurus the construction seems decent.

this may sound dumb, but what is the difference between .45 and .45 ACP ??

45 ACP = 45 Automatic Colt Pistol. It is a rimless round meaning it does not have a protruding rim as is seen on a revolver round like the 45 Long Colt. It is also a pretty short round.

45 is generally used to indicate the 45 Long Colt which started life as a 45 caliber black powder round used in the Colt Single Action Army revolver. This round is approximately twice the length of the 45ACP or at least seems that way.

Mark

Rollins · « **Reply #20 on:** October 25, 2007, 11:19:51 PM »

Also, JB, make sure you put some time in with that .357 SIG for automatics. It's a completely different round than a revolver fired .357 magnum. Good luck and let us know what you get. My money went to Sig Sauer and I'm very happy with it.
BTW- friend of mine just came through the Police Academy here and told me that the only weapon in his class that consistently jammed and had problems staying together and on target was the Kimber.

Capt.Joe · « **Reply #21 on:** October 25, 2007, 11:39:41 PM »

Desert Eagle makes a .357 caliber D.Eagle alone with a .44Mag, .50cal, and a couple others.

Capt.Joe · « **Reply #22 on:** October 25, 2007, 11:41:34 PM »

He's some info i found on it.

Desert Eagle (USA/Israel)

Type: semi-automatic pistol; Caliber - .50 AE /.44 Magnum /.41 Magnum /.357 Magnum ; Barrel length - 152 mm (6") ; Overall length - 260 mm (10") ; Capacity - 9 ; Weight ~ 1800 g (4 lbs).

Desert Eagle pistols were specially designed for the powerful Magnum cartridges and provide shooters with an extreme firepower. Desert Eagle is semi-automatic pistol with unique gas-operated construction and represents a new functional approach to a handgun. All parts of Desert Eagle are manufactured by precision casting and machining to strict military standards and with the dedication to quality and durability. Desert Eagle pistol features polygonal barrel rifling which increases handgun accuracy and reduces barrel wear. Relatively short pistol's recoil makes comfortable the usage of powerful Magnum ammunition. Nevertheless, on account of its massive size and weight, Desert Eagle pistol is not a good choice for self-defense

kamilyun · « **Reply #23 on:** October 26, 2007, 12:27:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Shuffler
I'm extremely happy with my XD45 (ACP = automatic colt pistol). For me the XD has a more natural angle on the grip than the Glock. XD comes with a lifetime warrantee also comes in different barrel lengths for easier carry. Comes with a nice case, double magazine pouch, tactical holster, speed loader and two 13 round clips. It has a visual cocking indicator and loaded chamber indicator that you can feel in low light or no light conditions. XDs also have an integral rail for your light, laser or bridge.

Which XD45 did you go with? 5", 4"?

Did you consider or try any of the C model Glocks?

I'd like to know what anyone thinks of the Glock .45 subcompact. Looks pretty cute

OOZ662 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 26, 2007, 12:33:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33
Taurus Intl PT1911 .45

For a suggested retail of around $700 it can't really be beat for a 1911 .45 pistol. When you consider that Taurus is also the ONLY firearm company that has a lifetime warranty on their products new or used it's a great deal.

That's the same gun as in Metal Gear Solid 3, minus all the hand-customized stuff. That's interesting.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 26, 2007, 01:15:41 AM »

JB, pick a caliber that you like-this may take some time (and money, of course, but well spent in this case) at a range that rents' out pistols. At my local range, for example, they have just about every model of Glock available for rent; You can test caliber by renting identical pistols, in different calibers. Keep in mind, some revolvers, like quite a few .357's, for example, will reliably chamber the cheaper .38 Special round, as well, if you like a lot of range time. I believe (Lasz or someone, correct me if I'm wrong) that a Model 29 S&W .44 Mag can plink all day long on lower powered (and a little less brutal to shoot) .44 Special's.

Once you get your round figured out, you have a good basis as to your weapon purchase, since you've narrowed it down to caliber. Now, if you go 9mm, you've still got quite a few choices. For other Autoloader fodder, the field shrinks' somewhat. In revolvers, There will be quite a few .357 offerings, but starts to shrink up in the bigger calibers. I will say one great thing about revolvers: Even the large-frame Smith's can have grips fitted to be comfortable in small hands. Autoloaders are restricted by Mag size, so if you're looking at something with a high-cap double stack mag, Even a 9mm starts' to get a little fat in your hand. This is one of the things' that makes finding the right caliber in the right gun for you kinda tricky.

There's a few other little factors to consider, but the one that will also be at the top of the list is: Price ($$$!!!)

This tends' to narrow the field more than most other factors. I rented a Sprinfield V-16 at my local range/shop. It's a long barreled/Slide 1911 job, called the V-16 because of the two rows' of 8 Magna-ports in the barrel, with matching slots in the slide. I shot one hundred rounds' through it, realized that it was the most accurate and easy shooting 1911 I'd ever picked up, and when I took it back up to the rental desk, asked the guy behind the counter what they were asking for one. $1200+tax, shipping, background, etc.

It's a fine pistol, but I'll probably never own one, for that much green.

Well, anyway, GL JB, you've got a lot of shopping to do

wrag · « **Reply #26 on:** October 26, 2007, 07:57:30 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I don't have a 1911 but I have a couple of semis. Being a relative newcomer to more than casually shooting handguns I was very surprised at the difference in accuracy between semis and revolvers. Maybe it's my grip, stance, or something else I am ignorant of but I can shoot revolvers a lot more accurately than my Berettta 92fs and Glock model 21.

Same here with the following added.............

I can hit with a 1911 (max 8 round mags) and MISS with a berrette......

Would love to get a para ord double stack but it's just too wide for my hands

grip size! and probably shape! I have small hands I guess.......

the berretta twists in my hand and hits all over the place.

to further enhance my shooting I changed the grips to very narrow or thin ones.

Handguns work best IF they suite your hand.

Maybe that will help?

JB73 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 26, 2007, 09:35:29 AM »

thanks for all the info, I definitely want .45 ACP thats the round I recognize and didn't know until now want. basically the "tommy gun" round.

To answer the question about caliber Frode I have settled on the .45 because of a few reasons. 1 how common it is. it is a standard that is used all over and I should have a multitude of ammo choices to purchase. 2 it has stopping power if I God forbid ever need to use it in a defense manner, much more so than a 9mm so I am told.

wrag, the one I held and was really comfortable with I think has a 7 round capacity. I have no problem with the lower capacity, I will just buy more magazines

again thanks all for the information. that Taurus really does look nice

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #28 on:** October 26, 2007, 10:01:22 AM »

The Springfield is a better piece than the Taurus, at least from my experience with both. The Dan Wesson Point Man is a good piece as well, you can usually find a good deal if you look. The Point Man comes with most everything many add to their 1911 already installed, and from some of the finest suppliers.

lazs2 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 26, 2007, 10:10:34 AM »

well....I have to disagree with virgil a bit.. the 1911 is a very basic gun and.. I carry it with a round in the chamber and the hammer at the first "safety" notch... not for safety.. the gun has a grip and firing pin safety... I carry it that way because it is easier to thumb back the hammer... I don't use the thumb safety.. I have seen too many 1911's where the safety was off by the time the guy got it out... Still no big deal with the grip safety and all but... years of single action revolvers make me have no problem thumbing back the hammer.

I have a few 45's... one is a Kimber.. I trust it.. it has never jammed with good ammo.. all the cops I know carry Kimbers when given the chance. It is reliable and accurate. If a kimber jams (I have not seen this) it is probly the mag... wilson combat makes the very best mags.

If you still want a revolver and 45 acp... smith makes a couple.. they use full moon clips so you can load all six at once.

Ammo is expensive... not so much for me cause I reload. someone said you can use 38 spl in 357 and 44 spl in 44 mag to save money.. that is true.. especially for the 357... 38 stuff is still cheap... not so much for 44 spl... that stuff still costs twice as much as full house 44 mag reloads. I load 44 mag rounds that have half a ton of energy (about 3 times a 45 acp) for about $4.50 a box of 50.

The taurus 45 1911 looks like a good deal but I have not shot one. I have shot Kimbers a bunch and all I can say is that they are worth the money.

I like 357 revolvers but.. for me.. the 44 mag revolver is king... I have a custom couple of em.. one Ruger redhawk cut down to 4".. you can now buy the redhawk in 44 with a factory 4" barrel.

most handguns will do for nightrstand duty. I like to plink.. the 45 acp is relatively weak for this. and.. it throws brass all over the place. You need to pick it up if you want to reload or... are simply not a slob.. At the range it bothers me to throw away all that 45 brass but... I have 12,000 once fired cases anyway.

44 mag is the very best for balance of power and size and versitility. The .357 comes next... some may switch those numbers around but.. a revolver is always more versitle than a self shucker.

And hornet is correct.. safe is the most important but the second most is having fun.... I always have fun when I go out shooting.

The other advice is good too... rent a bunch of guns or go out with someone who has a bunch... I have a dozen different guns and let people try em all.. I am always surprised at what handgun new guys end up wanting.

The gun you enjoy shooting will be the one you are good with most of the time tho.

lazs