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Offline SFRT - Frenchy

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« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2007, 10:16:40 AM »
I taught a few men and women to shoot (in the military), to fly, and to sport drive/snowdrift.

The big difference is on the begining stages. Women are definitly less secure and they starting skill is horrible. Men are over confident, throw themselves like they know ... except they don't. A stereotype to illustrate about car racing would be : a women will approach a wide high speed trun at 25 mph when a man will come in at 120mph and run off the road.

The women are incredible listeners and much more buy the book then men.
I did taught some that learned at an incrediblity fast rate, and are up to speed much quicker than my other male students. After a couple of tries, the guy will usually try new stuff, take short cutts on what he things is not necessary while the woman will still follow steps.

Which level of mastery each race achieve is up to how much each practice. At the shooting range in the AF, women had a better average than men, because guys tends to "just show up and empty their clips". On a battle field situation like simulated combat, men have better scores because they usually can improvise and "skip steps".

In aviation, every time I had a women co-pilot I was amazed by their dedication to checklists, and their extensive knowledge about systems and numbers. They have a tendancy of being over safe and conservative, I find that annoying ... but it's a good thing.
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« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2007, 10:28:25 AM »
yep.. women are very detail oriented.  I find that they tend to not see the big picture tho and are often paralized when it comes to making a quick decision.

Oh.. I think tigress was saying that she beat you in AH... that you were easy.

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« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2007, 10:33:08 AM »
I'm easy, I'm an AH slut.:D
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« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2007, 10:47:08 AM »
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yep.. women are very detail oriented.  I find that they tend to not see the big picture tho and are often paralized when it comes to making a quick decision.

Oh.. I think tigress was saying that she beat you in AH... that you were easy.

lazs


I am detail oriented... for sure. The men I work with know it... and count on it.

I was fishing when I mentioned Frenchy.

Shortly after starting my first tour, Tour 92, I had a one-on-one with a pilot with Frenchy in his callsign.

It was very enjoyable.

In that particular case I prevailed, and it was not easy. That Frenchy's evasive manuvers were excellent... I matched him and his varying E-State ounce for ounce to the shootdown.

What made it stand out in my mind from the other 182 or so shootdowns I accomplished in tour 92, was his CH:200 praise and encouragement which he gave me.

He didn't hit on me... he didn't seek me out... he just encouraged me.

Was that You, Frenchy? or was it, perhaps, a different Frenchy?

I don't know. But it boosted me. God Bless him.

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« Reply #49 on: October 28, 2007, 11:11:34 AM »
A few guys here have specifically mentioned "The Israeli Girl Sniper" as being more attractive than the other IDF women.

I think I understand why... but I would appreciate you guys telling me why... straight from the source, as it were.

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« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2007, 11:13:08 AM »
still... you should be able to get above a less than 1 K/D ratio don't you think?

Women are detail oriented.. that is not always a good thing.. men and women are different.. like we said.    maybe women should do the things they do well and men the things they do well.

I have a woman who runs an office that runs parts of the things I need done.   She will take great pains in going over every little thing I have done to call me up and tell me what I have done wrong.. what detail I have left out or what rule I have bent.

I get the job done.. the men like and respect me.. they hate her.

She will call, as I say and tell me all about how I have not followed the rules... these are emergency situations btw.. requiring some quick decisions base on experiance.    

Like I said.. she spends a great deal of time thinking about what I did wrong and then calls me... I tell her what really happened and why..  often she just get's so frustrated that she says... "you have an answer for everything don't you?"

I say.. "no.. but I try to."  I don't think she get's it... I really think that in the things she does have control over that her attention to detail make for less progress and less real work and more unneeded expense than is necessary.

One of the women that did work for me I fired.  she was useless but was the only one who couldn't see it.

She once came to me and told me that I needed to tell all the other operators  to do a lab procedure the way she was doing it because it was superior.

I told her that number one... I don't "need" to do anything she tells me... number two.. if the guys were doing the procedure in accordance with standard lab practice they were fine and three.....

That she was the slowest and least consistent person I had working for me so why would I want them to imitate the way she did things.

lazs

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« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2007, 11:37:55 AM »
There's only 1 "Frenchy" since Beta, and he usually fly a p47 with French markings. Kind of easy to single out:D Happy I leave a good impression on people.
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« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2007, 12:06:56 PM »
For me, it's something about the shape of her face. Granted that's only part of the equation on who I find attractive so I'd need to see a full-body picture, but she does have an attractive face for certain.
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« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2007, 02:08:33 PM »
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Originally posted by Tigeress
A few guys here have specifically mentioned "The Israeli Girl Sniper" as being more attractive than the other IDF women.

I think I understand why... but I would appreciate you guys telling me why... straight from the source, as it were.

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« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2007, 04:28:33 PM »
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Originally posted by Tigeress
A few guys here have specifically mentioned "The Israeli Girl Sniper" as being more attractive than the other IDF women.

I think I understand why... but I would appreciate you guys telling me why... straight from the source, as it were.

TIGERESS

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I didn't mention it though I thought it. I think she's hot because she has a really pretty face and a very serious look on that face. She "looks" intelligent and like she means business. I like brunettes too :D

To me the ultimate turn on is a really pretty lady who is very intelligent and who is really feminine. Tom boys are ok but  not my preference.

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« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2007, 04:50:30 PM »
man, all that M-16 was missing was a cup holder
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« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2007, 04:56:12 PM »
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still... you should be able to get above a less than 1 K/D ratio don't you think?

Women are detail oriented.. that is not always a good thing.. men and women are different.. like we said.    maybe women should do the things they do well and men the things they do well.

I have a woman who runs an office that runs parts of the things I need done.   She will take great pains in going over every little thing I have done to call me up and tell me what I have done wrong.. what detail I have left out or what rule I have bent.

I get the job done.. the men like and respect me.. they hate her.

She will call, as I say and tell me all about how I have not followed the rules... these are emergency situations btw.. requiring some quick decisions base on experiance.    

Like I said.. she spends a great deal of time thinking about what I did wrong and then calls me... I tell her what really happened and why..  often she just get's so frustrated that she says... "you have an answer for everything don't you?"

I say.. "no.. but I try to."  I don't think she get's it... I really think that in the things she does have control over that her attention to detail make for less progress and less real work and more unneeded expense than is necessary.

One of the women that did work for me I fired.  she was useless but was the only one who couldn't see it.

She once came to me and told me that I needed to tell all the other operators  to do a lab procedure the way she was doing it because it was superior.

I told her that number one... I don't "need" to do anything she tells me... number two.. if the guys were doing the procedure in accordance with standard lab practice they were fine and three.....

That she was the slowest and least consistent person I had working for me so why would I want them to imitate the way she did things.

lazs


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« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2007, 05:04:12 PM »
The Israeli sniper girl is mesmerizing because she has you in your sights and it is basic survival instinct to get along with anyone who has the drop on you.  

Might also be related to the idea of prey succumbing to superior critter because of inevitability and survival of the fittest.  

Which reminds me of a shooting range target.  It was a gorgeous sexy brunette in halter and shorts pointing a big revolver at you.  Its purpose supposedly was to get male law enforcement people past their natural reluctance to harm a pretty girl.  

For example, while they instinctively would quickly zap a terrorist figure, the slightest hesitation for any reason, including ogling a pretty girl, might well make them lose that particular encounter.
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« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2007, 05:56:50 PM »
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Which reminds me of a shooting range target.  It was a gorgeous sexy brunette in halter and shorts pointing a big revolver at you.  Its purpose supposedly was to get male law enforcement people past their natural reluctance to harm a pretty girl.  
 


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« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2007, 09:08:41 AM »
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still... you should be able to get above a less than 1 K/D ratio don't you think?

Women are detail oriented.. that is not always a good thing.. men and women are different.. like we said.    maybe women should do the things they do well and men the things they do well.

I have a woman who runs an office that runs parts of the things I need done.   She will take great pains in going over every little thing I have done to call me up and tell me what I have done wrong.. what detail I have left out or what rule I have bent.

I get the job done.. the men like and respect me.. they hate her.

She will call, as I say and tell me all about how I have not followed the rules... these are emergency situations btw.. requiring some quick decisions base on experiance.    

Like I said.. she spends a great deal of time thinking about what I did wrong and then calls me... I tell her what really happened and why..  often she just get's so frustrated that she says... "you have an answer for everything don't you?"

I say.. "no.. but I try to."  I don't think she get's it... I really think that in the things she does have control over that her attention to detail make for less progress and less real work and more unneeded expense than is necessary.

One of the women that did work for me I fired.  she was useless but was the only one who couldn't see it.

She once came to me and told me that I needed to tell all the other operators  to do a lab procedure the way she was doing it because it was superior.

I told her that number one... I don't "need" to do anything she tells me... number two.. if the guys were doing the procedure in accordance with standard lab practice they were fine and three.....

That she was the slowest and least consistent person I had working for me so why would I want them to imitate the way she did things.

lazs


Hi Lazs,

Oh yeah... I do think I should be able to get the ratio above >1 ...but I’m confident I will. The way I approach things like that is experimentation and observation. I have observed a self-weakness... having to do with E-state determination of bandits in a swarm. I have tended to dive right in instead of hanging back and gauging who has what E-State. Also I am used to flying with wingmen and love to drag bandits into the jaws of my wingmen. hahahaha

So far I have been flying solo even in the company of other country-mates.

I just don’t yet have a groove.

My ratio approached about a 0.9x at one point in tour 92 but it fell back.

Things like learning fuel conservation and ammo management played a part. I was flying the La-7 with the throttle to the wall for a fast transit to a fight and dying from being bingo fuel or bingo ammo... A lot of little things added which I didn't need to manage in h2h.

Like I said... I like challenge... there are added things which I find interesting.

Although I knew the La-7 is a low alt fighter (<8K) I experimented with going after high alt fighters and bombers and got my six shot off a lot. :rofl
Live and learn! :p

On the women you speak of... Sounds like dorks to me.  Didn't hire good people, I am thinking.

Every woman who works mainly with men has to find a modus operandi  that works for her. Many, I fear, get it wrong and also get no help if they have it wrong. It is a tight wire act and always assuming an adversarial posture and attitude is not the way to go. We are not men and can not be men and what woman in her right mind would want to? There is a time and place to stand ground though.

With that said, it is possible to get respect and show respect and not loose femininity. But it can be damn hard sometimes.

TIGERESS