on the topic of base capture

[Dichotomy]

Originally posted by KONG1
Like I said, I adapt to wherever I'm at and have fun. I don't really care, but the lack of consistency can be confusing. Do you also suggest that the admins continually keep adjusting the arena settings and login message? I know if the ack is left weak as it is now they won't have any ords or troops to do anything with (evil grin). Will that be cool? If JG54 wants a night of specific type of game play should everyone say ok and re-adjust to us? Do we make the "rules" on our night. There are only 7 nights what if 8 squads want their own night? I can keep going...
 

The only thing I would suggest is giving new ideas (or at least new to me) a shot and see what happens. As far as the arena settings I'd say that up to the staffers who oversee it.  I, like you, am willing to adapt to whatever.

[KONG1]

Originally posted by Dichotomy
The only thing I would suggest is giving new ideas (or at least new to me) a shot and see what happens. As far as the arena settings I'd say that up to the staffers who oversee it.  I, like you, am willing to adapt to whatever.

If its new to you just click on an arena that starts with an "M". As far as giving it a shot, you bet, will be hugely entertaining any way it goes. I'm just having some fun with the hypocracy of it all. I fly with a squad that catches a lot of flack, "ruins the AvA" and we play within all the "guidelines". These guys come along specify that they will not play within the guidelines and the pinheads are going out of their way to kiss their butts.

[Dichotomy]

I understand where you're coming from Kong and freely admit some of the 'bad press' you guys get isn't justified.  I fly the arena because, for the most part, I enjoy the company of the regulars regardless of what's going on.

[WWM]

I just plain ole give up.

Steps to entering AvA.

1. log in check roster for those you like to fly with
     a. stay and try it out.
     b. (see #2)

2. sit on runway and listen and read ch#200
     a. log off and go somewhere else.
     b. stay and try it out.

[Slash27]

Originally posted by KONG1
If its new to you just click on an arena that starts with an "M". As far as giving it a shot, you bet, will be hugely entertaining any way it goes. I'm just having some fun with the hypocracy of it all. I fly with a squad that catches a lot of flack, "ruins the AvA" and we play within all the "guidelines". These guys come along specify that they will not play within the guidelines and the pinheads are going out of their way to kiss their butts.

Sounds like you are worried about not being the center of attention in your little sandbox. Keep after the new guys KONG, you'll get them run off and things can be back to normal.

[KONG1]

Originally posted by Dichotomy

I will ask this from the AVA team.  

A) Reduce or eliminate the ack from carriers and bases
B) Make base captures impossible...

Originally posted by lutrel
Let it be known that we will conduct offenses on fields and even capture them

Originally posted by Dichotomy
I will ask this from the people who choose to play
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B) 2 V 1 is cool.  After that it's gang banging
C) No HO's on merge 1.  After that it's game on (I'd prefer no HO's but that's me)
D) No vulching.. if you're close to an enemy field then let the guy get co alt before engaging

Originally posted by lutrel
--Our rule of thumb is if somebody rolls from a capped base, that are one bad MF'er and will be killed before thay become a threat to our operations.  Equal fights take place in the Dueling arena, and we do cap bases.

Originally posted by Dichotomy
E) If someone on your side is 1v1 then leave them to their own devices and skills.  Watch around for enemies or hover over the fight then, if your guy dies, reset with the victor.  If the enemy dies wait until he ups.
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G) Switch sides to balance the sides.  Shooting your squad mates is FUN.  Not that I've ever done it but I'd like to.  
...

Originally posted by lutrel
--Us Avengers do not fly against each other unless in the Dueling Arena.  

Originally posted by Dichotomy
My understanding of the AVA culture is the following

1) Don't HO on the initial merge
2) Don't gang (anything over 2 v 1 is overkill)
3) Don't vulch...

This is too much fun. Dicho should I believe anything you type or do you just sorta flow with the prevailing winds. From whom exactly did you get those ideas of arena conduct? Where are they now..hmmmm....quite the mystery.

Oh one more thing. Slash wears lederhosen.

[Slash27]

leather  lederhosen

[Dichotomy]

Originally posted by KONG1
This is too much fun. Dicho should I believe anything you type or do you just sorta flow with the prevailing winds. From whom exactly did you get those ideas of arena conduct? Where are they now..hmmmm....quite the mystery.

Oh one more thing. Slash wears lederhosen.

I'm open to trying new things to populate the arena with other / new people.  If it works it works if it doesn't it doesn't.  Granted we had more participation over the last couple of weeks but, as has been noted, once it gets over a certain number the ganging, ho'ing, etc escalates.  If I *****ed about every time I got picked or HO'd the last couple of weeks nobody could have gotten a word in on the buffer or on the forums.  I kind of take it with a 'stuff happens' attitude and drive on.  Quite honestly typing garbage on 200 detracts from my SA.  I don't know how some players do it.

If you've got better ideas than I do please present them.  What do you want Kong? I have yet to see you offer anything other than criticism for other peoples thought processes.  You seem like a reasonably intelligent person so I'll throw it back to you to put your idea out there.  What direction would YOU like to see the AVA go?

If it works it works if it doesn't it doesn't but I'm willing, in principle, to try any intelligent idea that somebody throws out there.  I tease OM about the fact that 'marketing' got the numbers up over the last couple of weeks but the simple fact is that I think it has been an aberration brought on by the end of summer more than anything I've proposed.

If you would like to discuss this privately I'd be more than happy to hear your thoughts and views.

PS: I didn't know that about Slash... now the picture is permaburned in my mind.  Thanks for that.. I just threw up in my mouth a bit.

PSS: I forgot to answer your question.  Those were the 'rules' as I understood them to be at the time.  If you want to say that I just go with the wind then *shrug* you are entitled to your opinion.  I offered myself up as bait to get the arena going based on what I perceived and, frankly, got my butt kicked repeatedly by a variety of people in the cartoon skies.  Things changed.  I'm interested in seeing how it plays out.

By the way you 'might' want to include the entire post before you try to make me look like a *******.  I really don't need your help I do just fine by myself.  The spirit of the post was that when there was somebody in the arena then others show up and pretty soon you've got something worth doing.  Just in case you missed that.

[KONG1]

I've said it before...

The AvA has been THE arena were I have found the most frequent and varied fights the 3 years I have played. It is the BEST arena as it is now. The admins do a great job, the settings are balanced about as well as they can be. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Your assumption that more players make for a better arena is logically flawed. I have my hands full with one enemy, two is usually more than I can handle. Why would I ever care how many other players are in the arena when I'm fighting my one or two. Why do you want more, are you superman, how many can you fight at once. 2 can have a great time so can 3, 4, 5, 6... Haven't you noticed that numbers is what degenerates game play. After a certain point numbers go up play goes down.

Take all the bozos that are so sure if things where their way then everybody would like it and notice that none of them agree.

The most constructive idea I have is this. Make it clear that any changes in the AvA will only be considered once a year and provide the proverbial suggestion box. Every January empty the box to make room for the next year. This continuous discussion about changes brings every perpettually dissatisfied numpty (like bug) and drive-by detractor (like humple) out of the wood work.

Of course new maps, ideas for setups, and planers of missions are always cool in my book.

[Dichotomy]

Ha!!  everybody in the arena knows I'm a fairly easy kill but, as I said, I'm open to new ideas.  I don't disagree with anything you've said in the previous post and am interested in an open and mature dialog about it.  

Being open to new ideas and willing to give them a try has a proven track record of success in my life experience.  If the 'team' or, in this case, the 'group', is willing to give the idea a 6 or better even if they do have reservations then it CAN be a good thing.  Flip side is it could be a frikken disaster but we'll never know until we give it an honest shot.  

If I log on and see the JG is outnumbered even though I detest flying german planes I'll jump in one and try to at least distract someone.  If the tables are turned then I'll fly against yall.  

Either way it's all good to me.

[KONG1]

Just trying a bunch of things is how Edison discovered tungsten would make the best light bulb filament. Thing is he knew what he was trying to accomplish. Just trying things or even discussing what things to try is idiocy without an agreed upon goal.

It's like a bunch of guys standing over a map arguing about which roads to take when they haven't agreed on where they're going. If they aren't agreed on a destination it's foolish to discuss the route and more foolish to start driving.

You keep talking about "trying new ideas", if you haven't defined the goal then how do you know if the idea is working.

So what's the goal? If you can't get agreement on that you'll never get agreement on what to do. That's why I consider most of these discussions absolutely ridiculous.

Here's a constructive idea: start a thread restricted to the discussion of what the goals should be. After a while it will become apparent why nobody can possibly agree on what to do or if it is working. Also, you will never reach consensus on the goal. The reason for that will be next weeks lesson.

Tune in next week for: Why Committees Can't Do Squat.

[Dichotomy]

I appreciate your sarcasm and, since you seem to be the resident expert, I'll let you set the goals.  

Please do tell the rest of the community what Kong would like the AVA to be. You have, sir, gone on record as saying that you'll go along with whatever happens.  Then you turned it into a personal attack on me.  I say this with all sincerity *YYYYYAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNN*****

There have been far harsher and more interesting attacks on me online in my life.  

Again what do YOU sir want the AVA to be?

[storch]

Originally posted by Dichotomy
I appreciate your sarcasm and, since you seem to be the resident expert, I'll let you set the goals.  

Please do tell the rest of the community what Kong would like the AVA to be. You have, sir, gone on record as saying that you'll go along with whatever happens.  Then you turned it into a personal attack on me.  I say this with all sincerity *YYYYYAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNN*****

There have been far harsher and more interesting attacks on me online in my life.  

Again what do YOU sir want the AVA to be?

I didn't peg you as the thin skinned type.  where is the personal attack?  I think I missed it.

[KONG1]

Originally posted by Dichotomy
Again what do YOU sir want the AVA to be?

You sir have demonstrated an inability to grasp a concept, follow the thread of an idea, or comprehend what you read. I'm sorry you consider the expression of my ideas as a personal affront.

My mistake. I'll keep it simple.

-I Like It Now-

How's that.

[Dichotomy]

Much better thank you