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Offline killjoy1

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Der Grosse Schlag ruined AH
« on: October 28, 2007, 07:44:14 AM »
Actually Der Grosse Schlag just made playing in the MA boring.  The MA has simply gone over to arcade play especially with these same ol' maps.

In Der Grosse Schlag there were many levels of success and failure.

1) Get back alive.

2) Get your wingy back alive.

3) Get your flight leader back alive.

4) Get the bomber group you're escorting back alive.

5) Finding the huns.

6) Killing the huns.

7) Not killing the good guys!

8) Fuel conservation.

9) Fighting between 30k and 20k is a whole new world.

Each frame tactics and strategy improved with ever more desperate fights.  The final frame the Luftwaffe  put it all together and delivered the "Hammer Blow" to the 1st BG and wiped them out.  

"You could have watched our bomber flight get ripped to pieces. Man that was ugly. I heard the call of cons 12 o'clock high, took one look and knew we were screwed. Nothing but black dots all over the place that soon became red icons everywhere I looked. The ONLY way we might have survived was if we had EVERY position in the planes actually manned. We just couldn't switch gun positions fast enough to keep up with everything and still stay in formation."
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The Bomber Groups started the first frames like we were in the main. But they learned to group tighter each frame.   The 4th FG were escorting the 2nd BG in the 4th frame and they were grouped so tight you could hardly fit a playing card between them.  

Then there was the furball on the deck at A5.  It was one thing to get a few kills but it's another whole game to get home alive afterwards.  We're trying to fight a running battle and conserve fuel 3 sectors from home.

I've been playing WB and AH for a long time.  Der Grosse Schlag has been the most fun in years.   I just wish we could take a little bit of it into the MA.

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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2007, 07:58:21 AM »
Well said!

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Re: Der Grosse Schlag ruined AH
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2007, 07:58:33 AM »
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Originally posted by killjoy1

I've been playing WB and AH for a long time.  Der Grosse Schlag has been the most fun in years.   I just wish we could take a little bit of it into the MA.

Big to the CO's!


Not to take anything away from scenarios but.

I don't understand, if you fly it they will come. Post a mission to fly deep into enemy territory. None of this under dar bs. You get a large enough bar slowly moving through enemy territory you will get the welcome wagon.

IIRC a few weeks ago there was a large rook raid on nit HQ. There was everything up there chasing them. Not to mention country channel lit up with positions updates and requests. IMHO That was as much fun as any FSO I've flown.
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Re: Re: Der Grosse Schlag ruined AH
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2007, 08:06:49 AM »
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Not to take anything away from scenarios but.

I don't understand, if you fly it they will come. Post a mission to fly deep into enemy territory. None of this under dar bs. You get a large enough bar slowly moving through enemy territory you will get the welcome wagon.

IIRC a few weeks ago there was a large rook raid on nit HQ. There was everything up there chasing them. Not to mention country channel lit up with positions updates and requests. IMHO That was as much fun as any FSO I've flown.
yes or cobble together a mission to get back your carrier fleet which the idiot bish have "hidden" near their HQ. to me FSO and scenarios are like watching paint dry.  the fact that you HAVE to rtb makes it bring out the worst in MA dweebry.  but I guess that's what makes a horse race.

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Re: Der Grosse Schlag ruined AH
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2007, 08:24:52 AM »
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Actually Der Grosse Schlag just made playing in the MA boring.  The MA has simply gone over to arcade play especially with these same ol' maps.

In Der Grosse Schlag there were many levels of success and failure.

1) Get back alive.

2) Get your wingy back alive.

3) Get your flight leader back alive.

4) Get the bomber group you're escorting back alive.

5) Finding the huns.

6) Killing the huns.

7) Not killing the good guys!

8) Fuel conservation.

9) Fighting between 30k and 20k is a whole new world.

Each frame tactics and strategy improved with ever more desperate fights.  The final frame the Luftwaffe  put it all together and delivered the "Hammer Blow" to the 1st BG and wiped them out.  

"You could have watched our bomber flight get ripped to pieces. Man that was ugly. I heard the call of cons 12 o'clock high, took one look and knew we were screwed. Nothing but black dots all over the place that soon became red icons everywhere I looked. The ONLY way we might have survived was if we had EVERY position in the planes actually manned. We just couldn't switch gun positions fast enough to keep up with everything and still stay in formation."
Hornet33

The Bomber Groups started the first frames like we were in the main. But they learned to group tighter each frame.   The 4th FG were escorting the 2nd BG in the 4th frame and they were grouped so tight you could hardly fit a playing card between them.  

Then there was the furball on the deck at A5.  It was one thing to get a few kills but it's another whole game to get home alive afterwards.  We're trying to fight a running battle and conserve fuel 3 sectors from home.

I've been playing WB and AH for a long time.  Der Grosse Schlag has been the most fun in years.   I just wish we could take a little bit of it into the MA.

Big to the CO's!




Great time and the MA is just the same old stuff we have had for years. Just shows what CT can be. If we all live long enough to see it!:t

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2007, 10:47:54 AM »
I do all but number 9 in MA.  hmm  I dont do 4 much either...but have on occasion.
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Re: Re: Re: Der Grosse Schlag ruined AH
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2007, 10:58:03 AM »
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yes or cobble together a mission to get back your carrier fleet which the idiot bish have "hidden" near their HQ. to me FSO and scenarios are like watching paint dry.  the fact that you HAVE to rtb makes it bring out the worst in MA dweebry.  but I guess that's what makes a horse race.


I guessing you're just not suited to enjoy the 'near' historical realism the scenarios provide over the MA, which is their primary purpose.  And that's OK.  I'm not into this whole game world just for the personal skill/combat stuff, though that's a great part of it.  Nor, just to be flying a reasonably modelled, simulated aircraft.  For me, much of the enjoyment of AH has come from the associated learning, discussing and experiencing of the historical events of WWII.

I think most pilots in the MA (including myself, when I'm there) are something like kids in a candy shop, running around from counter to jar, stuffing themselves with everything as fast as they can, never getting to really taste or savor what their eating.  After awhile, it's all one big frantic blob, with an exceptionally sweet or sour taste occasionally rising to notice.

Scenarios, on the other hand, provide the needed contrast (and very real experience) of the boring, but necessary formation flying, scouting for bandits, climbing to altitude, waiting for contact, etc, that makes that moment when your staffel of Focke-Wulf A-8's, along with a staffel or two of 109K-4's, follow vector orders successfully and join an even larger mass of countrymen as they swarm upon dozens of Allied bombers, dodging fistfuls of furious escort fighters.  Though often of short duration, the intensity and shear pucker factor of the fight, in contrast with the previous boredom, makes for a good, knucklewhitening time for all.

It's not the MA, and I don't know if I would want all the prep, or could stand all the mundane flight time, too often, but I sure wouldn't mind it a little more often if it's this good either.
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2007, 12:50:17 PM »
man, I just can't see blowing half of a saturday doing a scenario.  we did the FSO thing a few years ago and it was boring boring boring.  I don't have the need to role play real war I guess.  I like blowing people up in cartoonland though.

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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2007, 01:48:39 PM »
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man, I just can't see blowing half of a saturday doing a scenario.  we did the FSO thing a few years ago and it was boring boring boring.  I don't have the need to role play real war I guess.  I like blowing people up in cartoonland though.


It's a totally different world in a scenario Storch.  To each his own, but it definately wasn't a blown Saturday for me :)
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Re: Der Grosse Schlag ruined AH
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2007, 02:35:53 PM »
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Actually Der Grosse Schlag just made playing in the MA boring.  The MA has simply gone over to arcade play especially with these same ol' maps.

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 i would better watch "Everybody loves Raymond', than flying boring scenarios, I prefer vulching, hoing,raming, dieing in the MA's insurgency  war style;more action,more fun

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Re: Re: Der Grosse Schlag ruined AH
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2007, 02:50:23 PM »
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i would better watch "Everybody loves Raymond', than flying boring scenarios, I prefer vulching, hoing,raming, dieing in the MA's insurgency  war style;more action,more fun


Well we wouldn't expect anything diffrent from the typical LA7 pilot. :rofl
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2007, 05:14:50 PM »
Aces High offers many ways that an individual enjoys the game.

Quick fights, stall fights BnZ etc.

Many of us also are in it for the immersion.  Scenarios put you closer to what air combat was like during WWII.  We flew long distances to make Rendezvous points.  We had to manage our fuel.  The Jugs in Der Grosse Schlag also changed MP and RPMs to give ourselves more air time.

Making a rendezvous point with three other Fgs coming at nearly the same time with the Big Friends flying in tight formation below.  Over the Radio hearing "Welcome Little Friends"  The chatter between arriving FGs postioning themselves near the Bomber Stream.

Escorting for another 45 minutes until  "Here comes the Luftwaffe!"  2 O'clock high no ID on aircraft yet!  Then the swirling fights at 32K to various altitudes, listening for 6 calls and watching your wingman.  Watching bombers get hit and you diving after an enemy 190.  Then realizing you've been thinned out, lost some fighters and Bombers and you still have another target to hit.  The LW re ups in fresh planes beneath you.  You or your squadmates might have some damage......your fuel is running low and you know the Luftwaffe is coming back with numbers probably two to three to one against you, and you're hurting.

That's what some of us like.  I'll never criticize anyone for their style of gameplay.  It's their 15 dollars and all can play as they wish.
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2007, 10:34:05 PM »
Flew all 5 frames!

Did well in some and not so good in others. (dang Lazer ya CHEATER, MEANY, BULLY )

Had what I must say is probably the best time in AH or WB (flew mainly the s3's) EVER!

to all involved with creating it and running it!

Oh and a BIG THANK YOU!

IF CT is going to be like this I'm sold!

BTW I still enjoy the MA but NOT as much!  Probably because the MA dweebery just WASN'T there.
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2007, 11:20:11 PM »
Flew the 4 frames. Nice for a change of pace, but for me, too much like work.
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Re: Der Grosse Schlag ruined AH
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2007, 01:51:18 AM »
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Actually Der Grosse Schlag just made playing in the MA boring.  The MA has simply gone over to arcade play especially with these same ol' maps.

The MA died a horrible death a long time ago - please do not give DGS the proxy kill :cry

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