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« on: November 03, 2007, 11:33:21 PM »
Here is some basic information i found on bomber escort formations and the Basic distance and tatic's they imployed:



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In real life, bomber escort did not work very well. True, it worked better than sending the bombers in alone, which is how the Americans tried it at first. But even after the Allies started sending fighter escorts with the bombers, it was only marginally successful and bomber losses were still unacceptably high.

The problem was that the escorts were initially deployed in a close escort formation, i.e., in relatively close proximity to the bombers. The bomber crews preferred this, as they could look out their windows and see their "little friends" out there.

But it was not completely effective. Close escort cannot stop a good interceptor group from making a high speed head-on pass. In fact, if the escorts stay in close escort formation, they cannot stop that same interceptor group from making multiple passes.

Bomber escort did not really begin to work well until the 8th Air Force freed their fighters from having to fly close escort. Instead of being tethered to the bombers, escort fighters roamed ahead and to the sides of the bomber streams, often far beyond visual range, in an attempt to intercept the Luftwaffe before it could form up. Setting up a good head-on pass against a bomber formation requires about 10 miles of undisturbed flying as the interceptors make their approach, and that was not possible when that 10 miles was filled with Allied fighters.

In WarBirds as in real life, the most effective escorts are the ones you don't see from the bomber stream - the ones who are engaging the interceptors before they are in visual range of the bombers.

Nonetheless, in real life and in WarBirds, forward sweeps cannot get every interceptor, so close escort is still necessary to prevent interceptors from being able to sadde up on the bombers at their leisure.


Typical Close Escort Formation[/color]



The picture above shows a typical close escort formation, with flank escorts, rear escort, and a forward sweep. The latter is the group furthest away from the bombers, usually out of visual range, and is the group's defense against the head-on pass.

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You want as much distance between you and the bomber stream as you can get and still be able to see - and get to - the bomber group. The more distance you have, the more time you have to interfere with bandits on their way to the bombers. Escorts shouldn't hesitate to move beyond visual range of the bombers if they spot bandits further out.

The escorts usually stay between 5,000 to 8,000 feet higher than the bombers, so as to have enough energy to turn into attacking fighters.

The conventional wisdom is to stay with the bombers, to break off enemy fighters when they cease to be a threat, and especially not to follow enemy fighters to lower altitudes. This may or may not be the right response, depending upon the circumstances. In an event, where every downed pilot means one less enemy plane, it is often better to release some escorts to follow and kill known bandits, even if they are trying to leave. In an arena, where there are always more enemy planes to come, it is usually best to stay with the bombers rather than chase bandits.

If fuel permits, maintain your position relative to the bombers by keeping your speed high and flying at angles to the bomber stream. You will be faster than the bombers, and the temptation is to throttle back and fly level with them. You can do this if you are sure no bandits are around, but otherwise, you want to keep your speed high so that when they do show up, you have the energy to deal with them. Stay in position by flying at angles to the bombers. For example, if the bombers are holding 90 degrees, fly 120 degrees for a while, then turn to 60 degrees until you're back in position, then repeat.

If you have bandits hitting the bombers in a head-on pass, fire your guns at them, even if there's no hope of hitting them. A head-on pass is a tricky thing. It takes place at closure speeds of 500 mph or faster and aiming is very difficult. If the shooter flinches on the approach, it can mean the difference between a bomber kill and a clean miss. Fill the air with tracers, make him think he has to take evasive action or die.






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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2007, 11:39:23 PM »
Rooks, assemble for buff raid (with escorts)!:aok


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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2007, 12:00:58 AM »
I'll keep this in mind.:cool:
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2007, 08:17:19 AM »
Best believe i'll be trying this when i throw one of my rook buff raids :cool:

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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2007, 08:17:31 AM »
TY for the info talon,will definetly have to try it out..BTW I am wondering on a side note,did the "escorts" ever have rocket and or bomb load=outs to "finish off" anything the bombers may not of hit.I am thinking not,although I usually do add in some items to my escorts..

 Am also wondering,which planes were used for escorts?? was it ONLY p-51's?and what escorts did the japanese use for their bombers? nikis?

 A very good thread
  Very good info :aok

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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2007, 08:47:34 AM »
I don't think we'll have as much trouble as the USAAF had. In AH2 they ALWAYS attack bombers from the rear and they will stay there, in level flight, shooting at you.

In case you didn't know, to gain advantage in a furball your county is loosing, just fly a formation of bombers past the outside of the furball. No matter how many fighters are up the enemy will always go right for the bombers and die to them or fighters. :D

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2007, 09:15:56 AM »
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Originally posted by falcon23
TY for the info talon,will definetly have to try it out..BTW I am wondering on a side note,did the "escorts" ever have rocket and or bomb load=outs to "finish off" anything the bombers may not of hit.I am thinking not,although I usually do add in some items to my escorts..

 Am also wondering,which planes were used for escorts?? was it ONLY p-51's?and what escorts did the japanese use for their bombers? nikis?

 A very good thread
  Very good info :aok

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As for the escorts kevin, They were P38s, P-47s, and P-51D primarly were used as escorts. And i don't think there were any ords with the escorts except drop tanks.

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2007, 11:53:09 AM »
Also that's not always true Latrobe, The knights are VERY Skilled bomber Destroyers :confused:

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2007, 12:13:15 PM »
they also had box formation so ever bomber can cover other bombers in the formation with there guns
http://www.303rdbg.com/formation.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_box

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2007, 01:30:17 AM »
From experience, rear escort is useless. The guys covering the bombers rear should be above the bombers, not behind them. The point being that an enemy fighter will not approach from behind. If he does, it will take him a lot of time to run down the bombers and he'll be threatening the escorts as well. If the escorts engage, since they are not shooting out of their oscar, wide turning will be required and they will quickly fall way behind.

The way interceptors get to the bomber 6 is either from the side and turning, from above/below, or after a HO pass trying to get another shot. The escorts have to be very fast to get into firing position before the interceptors do. This is why they need to be high and dive into the interceptors. That also allows making repeated BnZ attacks without falling behind the bombers.
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2007, 04:02:43 AM »
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Originally posted by kennyhayes
they also had box formation so ever bomber can cover other bombers in the formation with there guns
http://www.303rdbg.com/formation.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_box


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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2007, 06:43:21 AM »
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Originally posted by bozon
From experience, rear escort is useless. The guys covering the bombers rear should be above the bombers, not behind them. The point being that an enemy fighter will not approach from behind. If he does, it will take him a lot of time to run down the bombers and he'll be threatening the escorts as well. If the escorts engage, since they are not shooting out of their oscar, wide turning will be required and they will quickly fall way behind.

The way interceptors get to the bomber 6 is either from the side and turning, from above/below, or after a HO pass trying to get another shot. The escorts have to be very fast to get into firing position before the interceptors do. This is why they need to be high and dive into the interceptors. That also allows making repeated BnZ attacks without falling behind the bombers.



The rear escorts are Above the bomber's trailing behind to pick up anything the lead or side escorts couldn't get.

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