Oregon Governor screws Oregon

[lazs2]

and crock-it/rpm and other socialists here...  I guess you won't be voting for ron paul after all then huh?

he hates socialized medicine.. he wants to do away with dozens of government agencies including social security, the department of education and the IRS.. he is against federal abortion support and is very pro life.

He may get you out of one war and let you smoke your pot but.. he will get rid of socialism at the same time.

None of these things bother me of course but you will all have hissy fits of historic proportions if he ever got in.

lazs

[Maverick]

No matter who gets the White House, they have to work through Congress. It's Congress, and I'm talking both houses here, that has the responsibility to pass law and fund the Government operations. Unless Congress cooperates, nothing much will get done. Even with the Military, the President only has 90 days that he can act unilaterally, after that it's only with the approval of Congress.

[lazs2]

well yeah mav.. there is that.   We have slipped to far into socialism to really recover in any rapid fashion.. we will get the bends if we try to come up too fast but...

To suggest, as they do, that because we have fallen so badly into socialism already.. that... it is excuse enough to get even worse and add more socialism... well.. as they say... "the mind boggles"

What the hell are they thinking?

lazs

[rpm]

Originally posted by lazs2
and crock-it/rpm and other socialists here...  I guess you won't be voting for ron paul after all then huh?

So far his "pros" outweigh his "cons". I consider healthcare to be a basic human right instead of the money machine it is today. Is the military healthcare system socialism? Everyone gets treated, all the doctors are paid the same according to rank. A system like that would be a good model to work from.

[lazs2]

rpm... what "pros"  I have not seen you say anything ever that is remotely going along with him..  except his missguided cut and run iraq policy.

The constitution allows for the raising of an army.. that would be their medical too.. that does not mean for citizens.    They deserve and have earned their medical.

I don't see why you can't grasp that.

soooo...you want to end the irs and department of education?   to cut dozens of socialist programs and departments?  

lazs

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by rpm
I consider healthcare to be a basic human right instead of the money machine it is today.

So human rights are based on the technology available?

Jefferson wrote, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"  

When did the creator endow me with the right to a coronary bypass or a polio vaccine?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
"What happened was, the tobacco industry bought the election,"  is Kulongoski speak for "These hicks are too stupid to think for themselves so they just vote for the heavist advertizer."

Money doesnt always buy an  election. Here in Jersey one Jennifer Beck (GOP) considered a longshot at best to win. Defeated encumbant Ellen Karcher (Dem) in the state senate elections dispite being outspent by Karcher 5-1

Pretty amazing considering this is a largely Democratic state

The feeling is the difference maker was Beck actually went out door to door an knocked on the doors of some 12,000 homes.
As opposed to just running TV and radio ads

[Shifty]

Originally posted by rpm
So far his "pros" outweigh his "cons". I consider healthcare to be a basic human right instead of the money machine it is today. Is the military healthcare system socialism? Everyone gets treated, all the doctors are paid the same according to rank. A system like that would be a good model to work from.

I don't agree, miltary doctors are volunteers, not to mention some of them have had their education partially paid by the military. I'm forever in debt to them, but remember they are volunteer military.

Civilian doctors are just that civilian. Why should the income be the same for a  world class brain surgeon, as a small town proctologist? Now you're limiting income based on a system not on talent.

Just a thought RPM ya commie bastage.

[rpm]

Rather than hijack this into Ron Paul debate, I'll reply to Lazs in a RP thread.

Life, is the most basic of human rights. Health is right behind it. The healthcare system has run amuck and needs to be redesigned. It wasn't that long ago that a doctor would come to you, not the other way around. Doctors were more concerned with their patients health than their ability to pay.

If you go into medicine for the profits, you are going in for the wrong reason and probably should find a new career.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by rpm
If you go into medicine for the profits, you are going in for the wrong reason and probably should find a new career.

All the work, dedication, and long hours required to be a physician should not be rewarded? As soon as you run out of the few idealist, what are going to do for doctors? Force people into the medical profession. It would no longer be a profession. Personally I don't want a physician with the same attitude as your local 7-11 cashier. Even Al Gore and Hillary expect a healthy profit annually. I don't see why somebody in the business of saving lives couldn't expect the same.

[lazs2]

yes shifty.. that is what he is saying.. the mind boggles!  especially in light of the fact that he thinks that the saints he calls teachers he believes are not getting enough money!

Health is not a part of life except as the individual makes it.  I am not forcing anyone to live any unhealthy or, for that matter, healthy lifestyle.   They deserve the right to live but not as was said... the right to a coranarry bypass or kidney transplant or even a flu shot.

Ron paul does not believe in socialized medicine.. nor does he believe in social security for that matter or the IRS or.. the department of education or fema.

I see ron paul as the anti-rpm

lazs

[rpm]

I'd rather a physician was more concerned with patients health than his stock portfolio. I see this less and less these days.

[lazs2]

ron paul is a physician and... he does free work all the time.  

He still thinks socialized medicine is evil.

lazs

[rpm]

So he's not perfect.

[Hap]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I'm saying that our Governor doesn't believe that the electorate is intellegent enough to make the choice.

If for some perverse reason, someone searches for evidence that "the public" chooses stupidly politically now and then, don't think they'll have any problem finding boatloads.