Lend-Lease Soviet P-39 recovered (2004)

[Yeager]

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/p39/index.htm

Srry if this has been posted b4, friend sent it and I was fascinated by the story.

this story was expecially pertinent to me personly after flying the attack version DUD of the B25 (esseptionally crappy low alt low performance, go figure....) I sure wish the team@large would have slected the P-39.

Enjoy the pics

[miraj]

There is also a great story about a WW2 tank found in a bogg in Europe.

[crockett]

Pretty cool.. I wonder if the air fame has any chance in being restored. Seems in pretty good shape considering.

[MajIssue]

Originally posted by Yeager
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/p39/index.htm

Srry if this has been posted b4, friend sent it and I was fascinated by the story.

this story was expecially pertinent to me personly after flying the attack version DUD of the B25 (esseptionally crappy low alt low performance, go figure....) I sure wish the team@large would have slected the P-39.

Enjoy the pics

Thanks! Very interesting... It's amazing how well warbirds survive years in fresh water. There is a perfectly restored F4U-4 at the Museum of Flight in Seattle that spent 40+ years under water in Lake Washington... Your p39 story remindes me of that bird.

The P39 is such a beautiful airplane... Someday I hope HTC will model it and make it available to us AH "pilots".

[Guppy35]

It's for sale out of England.  They have an Me109E recovered in much the same condition for sale as well.

 Pilot was still in the 39 when they found it.

[crockett]

There is supposed to be a WW2 aircraft of some sort located in Lake Monroe which is located in Sanford Florida. My dad and two uncles grew up in the area and my one uncle told me that fishermen had a history snagging their lines on it.

There was also a Air Force base in the area during ww2 so the rumor seems to have a little merit. It's fresh water too because the lake is part of the St Johns River system. Makes me wonder what kinda shape that plane would be in.

[schlowy2]

That flightpath (the last photo of that site) looks like a neat 'hops list' for microsoft flightsim. I.E. one would fly from one airport to the next, just to experience the flights. Yes the airports are surely in the game, but most of those cities probably have no implemented scenery; however, one could take a look at http://www.flightsim.com to see if they could get some homemade sceneries. I checked for a p39, they don't have one for 2006 (flightsimX) but they do have one for flightsim2004 (a century of flight) which might even work in '2006. Most of the online hops have cris-crossing paths so that the multiplayers see each other, for realism, as they go, anyways, fun fun. Its all about 'immersion.'
(back to topic)

[Wax]

Originally posted by schlowy2
That flightpath (the last photo of that site) looks like a neat 'hops list' for microsoft flightsim. I.E. one would fly from one airport to the next, just to experience the flights. Yes the airports are surely in the game, but most of those cities probably have no implemented scenery; however, one could take a look at http://www.flightsim.com to see if they could get some homemade sceneries. I checked for a p39, they don't have one for 2006 (flightsimX) but they do have one for flightsim2004 (a century of flight) which might even work in '2006. Most of the online hops have cris-crossing paths so that the multiplayers see each other, for realism, as they go, anyways, fun fun. Its all about 'immersion.'
(back to topic)

huh:rolleyes:

[Megalodon]

Originally posted by Guppy35
It's for sale out of England.  They have an Me109E recovered in much the same condition for sale as well.

 Pilot was still in the 39 when they found it.

Yes.. and they have a plane for you too , just need some bombs and a cannon



http://www.warbirdfinders.co.uk/aircraft.htm

[Ghastly]

This was one of six 11 1/2oz cans of ‘Cooked Pork, lard, onions, salt and spices’ supplied by the USA. They were located in the ammunition trays of the outer wings. Sixty years on, we wonder how it tastes!

I'd hazard a guess probably about the same as it did sixty years ago ...

[Sloehand]

Now aged a bit, it's probably better.

[schlowy2]

Wax or anyone else:

From the webpage in first post:
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/p39/p39map.jpg

A 'hop' is a single flight, one take off, and one landing.
A 'hops list' is a series of take of and landings.

That photo shows the planes flight path with all of its stops from the log book.
Microsoft flightsim has most of the worlds airports in it, although only a 'popular' places have a detailed cities or landmarks around them. One can download many homemade 'sceneries' from flightsim.com

One could try to virtually fly the flight that this particular P39 flew, in a virtual P39, gassing up at each airport as they go, 'doing the hops.' This would start at what looks like Buffalo, New York and go to South Bends, Indiana (which would be the first hop), and then though the many other hops, finally ending at Novinka Russia. Actually, the flight would end where the plane went down, (salute) to Lt Baranovsky, rip.

Options: do you bring a GPS (navigation, whats that?), or fly by VOR and NDB signals, or try to fly it by visual landmarks and a clock?
Aircraft:
Fly a virtual P39? The flights might take days of real life time. There is a save flight function though.
Or how about upping an SR-71 or a Firefox, with GPS ofcourse. The take offs and landings would take longer than the flight between the cities.

And ofcourse the weather and time and season would be a thing to, but if we just set it to day with clear skies then we actually get to see the ground and sites.

Immersion

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Yeager
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/p39/index.htm

Srry if this has been posted b4, friend sent it and I was fascinated by the story.

this story was expecially pertinent to me personly after flying the attack version DUD of the B25 (esseptionally crappy low alt low performance, go figure....) I sure wish the team@large would have slected the P-39.

Enjoy the pics

<> and thanks for sharing Yeager.  

[crockett]

I'm bumping this to maybe find out a little info if I can. I know there are a few people here that do some pretty in depth research on ww2 related stuff.

I'm wondering if anyone would have a little info on obtaining salvage rights from the US military in reguards to ww2 aircraft.

btw I found this..

"The United States has taken the position, and it is generally accepted in maritime law, that a sovereign government never abandons its vessels or aircraft. Thus, whenever a military wreck is discovered, whether it be a vessel or a plane, the United States still asserts its ownership interest. However, in a recent Federal Court case involving salvage rights to a submerged World War II Navy plane allegedly in 500 feet of water less than one mile off the coast of Miami the court rejected the Navy's claim and sided with the private salvor. This was an important case for those interested in salvaging the many scattered World War II Navy planes on the bottoms of Lake Michigan and Lake Washington."

does anyone know anything about this legal case.. ie like a name so it can be researched?

[REP0MAN]

Originally posted by crockett
This was an important case for those interested in salvaging the many scattered World War II Navy planes on the bottoms of Lake Michigan and Lake Washington."

Anybody wanna go fishin'?