Tanks we dnt have

[humble]

US penetration charts...

From what I see here, performance was identical for the for the M7 (3in tube in M-10) and the M1A1 tube although the M1A1 ammo was shortened a bit for ease of ammo handing. Which goes back to what I was aying originally. The turret ergonomics made the rate of fire higher for the TD's vs the enclosed shermans and german tanks...

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by trotter
Simaril, you're too decent a guy to be tuned to 200. Tune it off.

He enjoys chatting with friends on other countries, like myself.

[BigPlay]

The Tiger did have a good rate of fire. The rate of fire is a direct result of having a loader and not a loader/gunner as the T-34/76 did. It also was determined by ammunition storage in relation to the loader. The German crews were also better trained and had a communication system within the tank that was second to none so targets were acquired quicker than it's Russian counterparts . The Tiger did have a very slow turret traverse as it does in this game.

[Tattered]

Originally posted by Shuckins
As to the statements that the T-34 was hopelessly outclassed by the Tiger, let me just say that wars are not won by small numbers of armored behemoths with slow rates of fire, poor cross-country performance, and horrendous reliability.  Wars are won by well-designed machines that don't break down every other day, are easy to maintain, can be used in all types of weather and over all types of terrain, which crews can be easily trained for, have a reasonably effective weapon for use against a multitude of types of targets, and...most importantly....can be easily and rapidly manufactured, improved, and updated.

Twenty T-34s were manufactured for every Tiger produced by the Germans.  That's why, when the war ended, T-34s could be seen in Berlin, and no Tigers were in Moscow.

QFT

[JoppeX]

Originally posted by Karnak
I'd like to see the T-34/85 and Panther V G before any of those.

T-34 pictures from Finland

http://picasaweb.google.com/jpgrohn/T3485MmMainTurret

[Jag34]

Nice photos. What was the event happening that day that had this T-34/85?

Jag34T

[alskahawk]

Only a handful of Pershings even made it to Europe. And probally didnt even see combat. How about a Maus, or a E100 then?
 Better tank for the game; Panther, Lee, JS1, Churchhill or some that actually were the backbone of the conflict.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by alskahawk
Only a handful of Pershings even made it to Europe. And probally didnt even see combat. How about a Maus, or a E100 then?
 Better tank for the game; Panther, Lee, JS1, Churchhill or some that actually were the backbone of the conflict.

Pershings saw plenty of combat for the few months they were deployed. There's a well know film of a Pershing obliterating a Panther. You can see it here.

My regards,

Widewing

[Jag34]

Only a handful of Pershings even made it to Europe. And probally didnt even see combat.

Ok, all you have to do is do a little research online to have learned the Pershings did see combat in the ETO.( Such as the link from Widewing, Thanks for the link.) And did a fine good job at it also. Did you see the holes in the Panther after the 2 rounds hit it. You can see the frames in the tank though the holes. That is the only thing I hated about being in the M-60's. They would burn just like the WWII tanks. Glad I have my M1A1 Abrams. 70 tons of Hard Cold Steel.
Laze and Blaze
Jag34T

[alskahawk]

That film appears to be from right at the end of the war. April or maybe even May of 45. Very few made to Europe before the war ended. Plenty of combat? doubtful. Most sources state that about only 20 Pershing's made it to Europe before May 45. That film looks a bit staged. It may have been  a Pershing that was rushed to the front for combat testing. I believe Golom was one of the last battles.

 The point is that if AH is going to bring out rare vehicles there are plenty of them such as the Maus, etc. There are plenty of everyday tanks that are not represented in the game.

 There are some other comments about the T34 being outclassed by the Tiger. The T34 was medium tank like the Panther. Compare the T34 to the Panther. Its kind of like comparing the Bf109 to the Mustang. Early war  extensively modded design versus a late war lessons learned design. Some of you real tank experts can expound on the differences between medium tanks and heavy tanks better than I can. (USN retired)
 
 Those of you on the east coast if you get a chance check out Aberdeen proving grounds. They have a nice collection of ww2 tanks. Including a Tiger(?) with a nice frontal no penetration glacial hit.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by alskahawk
That film appears to be from right at the end of the war. April or maybe even May of 45. Very few made to Europe before the war ended. Plenty of combat? doubtful. Most sources state that about only 20 Pershing's made it to Europe before May 45. That film looks a bit staged. It may have been  a Pershing that was rushed to the front for combat testing. I believe Golom was one of the last battles.

By the surrender, 188 T26E3 tanks had been delivered to the ETO. Some made it to Okinawa as well. Approximately 22 were issued to the 3rd and 9th Armored Divisions in February of '45 and saw extensive combat during Operation Zebra. The film was not staged...

Say, you're not one of those that believe the moon landings were staged, are you?

My regards,

Widewing

[Jag34]

That film looks a bit staged. It may have been a Pershing that was rushed to the front for combat testing. I believe Golom was one of the last battles.

Your kidding right, Staged. Yes it was, that German TC (tank commander) agreed to get blown out of a tank and the driver agreed to burn to death all for the film crew.

Right now I'm looking for a book I have on the M-26 in WWII. Its about a crew who got one of the M-26's and had it for  4 months of combat. The last month they had a Super M-26 with a longer barrel gun, which gave it a 600 ft per second faster then the 88mm. Here is the link to the M-26 Super Pershing http://www.3ad.com/history/wwll/feature.pages/super.pershing.1.htm

Where did I pack that book:mad:

Jag34T

[alskahawk]

Staged as in rushed to the front for combat testing.

[alskahawk]

Originally posted by Jag34
Ok, all you have to do is do a little research online to have learned the Pershings did see combat in the ETO.( Such as the link from Widewing, Thanks for the link.) And did a fine good job at it also. Did you see the holes in the Panther after the 2 rounds hit it. You can see the frames in the tank though the holes. That is the only thing I hated about being in the M-60's. They would burn just like the WWII tanks. Glad I have my M1A1 Abrams. 70 tons of Hard Cold Steel.
Laze and Blaze
Jag34T

 Not big online research. It's generally worth what you pay for it. But here it is from a quick search. A handful were sent to the 3rd and 9th for combat testing. and quote from The Military Factory;
"About 20 M26's were reported to have seen any action at all. Ten M26's were also shipped out to the Pacific Theater for action in Okinawa, though arriving too late to be of any effective tactial use."
  Hardly qualifies as "Plenty of combat". I haven't had much time to analyze the video but my comment as to "staged" is my initial reaction. They probably sent a cameraman and a Pershing to the front where they knew there was one enemy tank to evaluate how it would perform. But that's just a guess as I stated I haven't had much time to watch the video.
 
 Other references mention the lack of power on the M26 due to the Ford GAN/GAF V8 power plant. As well as different transmission tests/gun sizes etc. 105mm, 76mm.  Designed as a heavy tank reclassified as a medium tank.
However by the Korean war it was a formidable machine. Killing lots of T34/85s.

[JoppeX]

Originally posted by Jag34
Nice photos. What was the event happening that day that had this T-34/85?

Jag34T

It was winter war scenario, where "red"army attacks with T-34 support against finnish fieldbase.

T-34 did shoot once. Flame was about 15 to 30 meter long and smoke runs about 50 meter ahead.

Finally finnish troops did shoot T-34 with that "panzerfaust" (http://www.pkymasehist.fi/panzerfaust.html ) and arrested crew.