Author Topic: Looking for a good .40 Semi Auto, Price is not an issue (Read 1799 times)

FX1 · « **Reply #45 on:** November 14, 2007, 06:28:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Halo
I fired a couple .40 semiautos at the local range and enjoyed the cartridge. Funny how some cartridges just feel right, e.g., the .40 always felt good but for some reason I did not enjoy firing the .357 sig.

However, when it came to choosing the optimum for my needs, the .45 ACP seemed even more comfortable and effective. If I had to carry concealed, a .40 Springfield XD would be a candidate, but I'd still try the .45 ACP first.

I'm only a recreational shooter, so pay particular heed to the more experienced advice from law enforcement and military veterans.

Never ask a cop! lol

The majority of police officers only understand what they need to qualify. Swat guys on the other hand are shooters and would be the people to ask. My experience with cops are that their more into the power trip than firearms.

For a long time i was a member of a range that was the sheriff practice range. They would come in and shoot two boxes of ammo and take off. Good for me because they never ever picked up brass.

These are the guys to ask...

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?act=idx

Masherbrum · « **Reply #46 on:** November 14, 2007, 06:34:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Terror
According to my Glock Armorer, Glocks were designed for 9mm NATO pressures. They are more than capable of handling 9mm +P+ Ammunition. Actually, he was the one who recommended the ammo to me.

T

Terror, again, the 9mm round is a worthless round. Why do you think the US is attempting to revert back to the .45acp? Actually, your Glock is NOT rated for +P+ ammo. But it's your gun, I'd look into a new barrel and spring.

Also, you should talk to the doctors, morticians and trauma surgeons in your area. They'll "thank you" for using the SXT. The SXT is a worse round than the Black Talon was.

My good friend is retired out of the Michigan State Police Crime Lab, his specialty? Ballistics. Another good buddy is a Glock armorer, he only recommends +P+ as a nightstand load, not routine practice (for the reasons above).

You are hung up on a "warfare style" in a "civilian world". I and other's seem to be missing something here. Like lazs and I say often, the 9mm is DEPENDANT on the round to mushroom. A lot of times, it doesn't.

Keep in mind, I'm not bashing the Glock. I'm bashing the 9mm. Like I said in a different thread, I reverted back to a .38 JHP +p over the .40+p round because of my hatred of Beretta's stovepiping.

I have shot the Glock 23C many times in .40. It is a fine instrument, but I lose ANY handgun in the 9mm.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #47 on:** November 14, 2007, 06:41:30 PM »

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Originally posted by FX1
Never ask a cop! lol

The majority of police officers only understand what they need to qualify. Swat guys on the other hand are shooters and would be the people to ask. My experience with cops are that their more into the power trip than firearms.

For a long time i was a member of a range that was the sheriff practice range. They would come in and shoot two boxes of ammo and take off. Good for me because they never ever picked up brass.

These are the guys to ask...

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?act=idx

My best friend growing up is SWAT for a local PD and now works in co-op for the DEA.

He's a good shot.

OTOH, I've often seen MANY cops shooting at the range. I feel safer armed because they couldn't hit a bull in the arse with a shovel. I had one cop come in to the range with an attitude. He laughed when he saw me stand back and rip off 13 from the USP. He said "You shoot with both eyes open?!!! You'd never be a cop shooting like that!"

I saw his piss poor groupings. I put the target out to 15 yards and really bruised his ego with all 13 center mass. I set the gun down and said "It's cops like yourself that give 90% of them a bad name. You shoot your mouth off because you have a badge and gun and you respect neither." He didn't reply.

Terror · « **Reply #48 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:13:02 PM »

Glock states that their 9mm pistol line is designed for continuous use with 9mm NATO ammunition. 9mm +P+ does not exceed 9mm NATO pressure standards.

Yes, since it is a higher velocity (hotter) round, I may only get 350,000 rounds through my Glock instead of 400,000. Oh well, my loss.

Tell you what, I will ask this specific question at my upcoming Glock Armorer's Certification training. I will let you know what the Instructor comes back with.

T

PS. Head out to glocktalk.com and do a search for +P+ ammo, or "pressure" and read through some of the threads....

Masherbrum · « **Reply #49 on:** November 14, 2007, 09:18:18 PM »

no way you're gonna get 350,000 rounds though a barrel. Good luck though.

flakbait · « **Reply #50 on:** November 14, 2007, 10:51:45 PM »

Regarding the .357 Sig (to side-step for a moment):

Halo, did it seem to be more of a "snap" than the typical "buck" when you fired it? I've shot a .40 Smith before and didn't object to the recoil at all. But I've been eyeballing a Sig P226 in .357 as my first auto pistol. The one comment a lot of people make about it was the recoil was very abrupt. Almost to the point of being uncomfortable and nowhere near the "buck" or "push" they get from other auto calibers.

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FX1 · « **Reply #51 on:** November 15, 2007, 12:21:27 AM »

I will shoot any box ammo out of my glock. If their were problems with a glock shooting +P+ it would be posted and well documented.

But

Shooting lead bullets out of a factory barrel is not wise.

FX1 · « **Reply #52 on:** November 15, 2007, 12:28:44 AM »

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Originally posted by flakbait
Regarding the .357 Sig (to side-step for a moment):

Halo, did it seem to be more of a "snap" than the typical "buck" when you fired it? I've shot a .40 Smith before and didn't object to the recoil at all. But I've been eyeballing a Sig P226 in .357 as my first auto pistol. The one comment a lot of people make about it was the recoil was very abrupt. Almost to the point of being uncomfortable and nowhere near the "buck" or "push" they get from other auto calibers.

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Glock 31 .357 sig
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.40 after market barrel $110

They use the same mags so you can have both. The .357 is $ to shoot and has less variety in loads.

FX1 · « **Reply #53 on:** November 15, 2007, 12:34:18 AM »

One more before i go to bed.

If you shot 350,000 rounds and shooting a glock we need to have a talk...

If you have that amount of time on your hands and money we need to get ya a new ride.

Terror · « **Reply #54 on:** November 15, 2007, 07:40:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
no way you're gonna get 350,000 rounds though a barrel. Good luck though.

My point is not that I can get 350,000 rounds through a Glock, (which has been demonstrated, BTW), but that shooting +P+ ammo will not shorten the life of a Glock for an average shooter.

T

lazs2 · « **Reply #55 on:** November 15, 2007, 08:38:33 AM »

I have put maybe 75,000 rounds through one ruger 44 super blackhawk in 30 years.. parts started to work harden but the barrel is good.

The 40 is fine. there are better I think.. the 9mm is iffy to me. If everyone and everything worked out as planned... it might do really well with some rounds... maybe not tho.. no data is in on the "ranger" rounds... except.. if the guy gets to cover or wears even a t shirt level one vest... it will fail.

It is marginal but I would take it if there was nothing else... I have carried makarovs and .32's ppk's and even some tiny berreta 22's and not felt unarmed but... with them... just as with the 9mm... I would feel very limited.

lazs

Yeager · « **Reply #56 on:** November 15, 2007, 09:44:40 AM »

think head shot lazs....think head shot. All else is subject to debate.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #57 on:** November 15, 2007, 11:44:50 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I have put maybe 75,000 rounds through one ruger 44 super blackhawk in 30 years.. parts started to work harden but the barrel is good.

The 40 is fine. there are better I think.. the 9mm is iffy to me. If everyone and everything worked out as planned... it might do really well with some rounds... maybe not tho.. no data is in on the "ranger" rounds... except.. if the guy gets to cover or wears even a t shirt level one vest... it will fail.

It is marginal but I would take it if there was nothing else... I have carried makarovs and .32's ppk's and even some tiny berreta 22's and not felt unarmed but... with them... just as with the 9mm... I would feel very limited.

lazs

I would ask you this, Lasz. Would'nt a Semi-auto be more likely to wear out sooner than a revolver, The way the parts' move and all? I would think that bore wear would be kinda universal, though.

lazs2 · « **Reply #58 on:** November 15, 2007, 02:26:33 PM »

I have no idea. I know that guns are very durable. that most people will never wear one out except thorough abuse. I do know that some semiautos fail at what I consider a very short span of say... 10,000 rounds.. there was some such problem with the berretas.

With semi autos... a common problem is the magazines failing and the extractor or ejector or springs.. on a semi auto this is catastrophic.. failures on revolvers can often be overcome.. they would be.. bolt stop/bolt stop spring say... Had the transfer bar shatter on my ruger at about 60,000 rounds.. and.. the screw holding the ejector rod shattered and sheared off.. neither would have made it inoperable... A piece of beer can jammed in the frame transfered the hammer blow to the firing pin.. removing the cylinder or just poking out the spent rounds with a stick would have worked for the ejector rod..

Not the case with the semi auto tho.. broken extractor would mean a jam every time.. you would have to clear it with a pocket knife or something.

Never seen a frame crack from use on a revolver but have seen slides and frames crack on semi autos. Mostly they were 50 years old tho... blocks just haven't been around that long but.. they do lose extractors.

lazs

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #59 on:** November 15, 2007, 05:28:53 PM »

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Never seen a frame crack from use on a revolver but have seen slides and frames crack on semi autos. Mostly they were 50 years old tho... blocks just haven't been around that long but.. they do lose extractors.

When I bought my P345, The gunsmith at the shop said that Glocks' have some kinda problem with the trigger group, after a while-but that they were easy to replace.

You broke a transfer bar on a Redhawk, right? I was thinking of buying a Super Redhawk (.45LC/.454 Casull) for my next gun, and was wondering if they might do that too...