Violent Radicalization Act HR 1955

[GovtFlu]

The U.S. House of Representatives recently passed HR 1955: the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1955:
Or
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1955

What exactly are these? a threat to the homeland, congress found.

(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

"extremist belief system" being what? a quick google turned up "A belief system" as a religion, or world view".. but extremist is completely subjective to the presidents opinion.

(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

The idea an entire govt can feel intimidated is a bit absurd, whats the indicator? when the president urinates himself with fear on TV while sucking his thumb?

SEC. 899B, Congressional findings:

The Congress finds the following:

(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.

(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.

`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

Indeed, congress has found the internet is a threat to the homeland security, I know while using the ATM at 2am, I look out over my shoulder for the internet.. which has "aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism".. and I thought it was just good for porn, gaming & music.

(6) The potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily prevented through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and requires the incorporation of State and local solutions.

or police state.

(8) Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.

Legally speaking, shall not = under no circumstances, should not = obliged not to, or ought not to.. or that they should try to not violate the constitution.. Im sure they'll try real hard too. This point is backed up by sec 899F(a) that states:

(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.

Here appear the words "shall not", prefaced by "In general".. WTF does that mean? how does someone under no circumstances violate civil rights in general? its ok in specific cases, just not in general?

It should say this BS shall not in any way shape or form violate the rights of 1 single US citizen or every member of congress will be waterboarded on pay per view, proceeds going to the victims.

[Xargos]

When the Government fears the People there is democracy, when the People fear the government there is tyranny.

[AKIron]

The Democrats are in control of Congress now. Looks like they are doing just the opposite of dismantling the Patriot Act. Is anyone surprised?

[Xargos]

Next thing you know they'll say that running against them in the elections is a Terrorist Act.

[Pooh21]

I am against these sort of things as because it sounds good but To Bush and most of America, islamofascism is terror and is what this law is about. To hillary and the left they will use laws like this against who they think are terrorists Regular Americans

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Pooh21
they will use laws like this against who they think are terrorists Regular Americans

Like Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols?

[eagl]

Originally posted by Xargos
When the Government fears the People there is democracy, when the People fear the government there is tyranny.

When the govt fears the people the govt passes laws infringing on the rights and freedoms of the people.  This is normal and must be fought tooth and nail by the people of a free nation.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by GovtFlu

(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.

Here appear the words "shall not", prefaced by "In general".. WTF does that mean? how does someone under no circumstances violate civil rights in general? its ok in specific cases, just not in general?

"In general" indicates a synopsis regarding the rights of the individual citizen being intact and not superceeded by HS efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism.

So HS cannot conduct an illegal search and seizure of Tim McVeigh's trailor for ingredients to blow up the Murrah Fed building in OKC. They actually have to have a warrant. To secure the warrant they have to have probable cause.

As such I don't see justification for all the hooplah and hand-wringing over this nor do I see it as a rational reason to claim political collusion by a specific party "in power" (no, the Democrats don't run congress, as should be obvious).

What I do see is an HR that isn't really neccessary.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Arlo
"In general" indicates a synopsis regarding the rights of the individual citizen being intact and not superceeded by HS efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism.

So HS cannot conduct an illegal search and seizure of Tim McVeigh's trailor for ingredients to blow up the Murrah Fed building in OKC. They actually have to have a warrant. To secure the warrant they have to have probable cause.

As such I don't see justification for all the hooplah and hand-wringing over this nor do I see it as a rational reason to claim political collusion by a specific party "in power" (no, the Democrats don't run congress, as should be obvious).

What I do see is an HR that isn't really neccessary.

I agree with arlo here.  It's a whole lot of "doesn't change anything" type law.

There is also a key word in just about every sentence.  That is "violence" or "violent".  In other words...some type of action.  No one's going to throw hippies in jail for passing out commie literature at the peace rally that they sponsered unless they are planning something else....IE blowing something up.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
I agree with arlo here.  It's a whole lot of "doesn't change anything" type law.

There is also a key word in just about every sentence.  That is "violence" or "violent".  In other words...some type of action.  No one's going to throw hippies in jail for passing out commie literature at the peace rally that they sponsered unless they are planning something else....IE blowing something up.

Thanks, Guns. Glad to see it just wasn't me.

[E25280]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
I agree with arlo here.  It's a whole lot of "doesn't change anything" type law.

There is also a key word in just about every sentence.  That is "violence" or "violent".  In other words...some type of action.  No one's going to throw hippies in jail for passing out commie literature at the peace rally that they sponsered unless they are planning something else....IE blowing something up.

I agree with both of you.  It looks to me like a super-version of an "incitement to riot" law.  Which is to say, freedom of speech does not include the freedom to incite violence.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Arlo
Thanks, Guns. Glad to see it just wasn't me.

congress seems to pass alot of these "laws" as of late.  I'm not so sure why our politicians pass so many "non-binding" laws. It seems like a waste of time.  However, I'm happier when they do less.

[bj229r]

Damn hippies! Get rid of em before they start making drum circles

[Arlo]

Originally posted by bj229r
Damn hippies! Get rid of em before they start making drum circles

Well that disconnected random thought typed aloud came from nowhere fast.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Arlo
Well that disconnected random though typed aloud came from nowhere fast.

not a south park fan huh arlo?

Eric Theodore Cartman, commonly referred to by his family name, Cartman, is a fictional character in the animated series South Park. He is voiced by series co-creator, Trey Parker.

Eric Cartman is one of the main characters in the fictional series "South Park". He often acts as a catalyst for their adventures through his over-enthusiasm. Cartman is notably eccentric, often reacting in violent and over-dramatic ways to events he dislikes and openly expresses his hatred of any race or group of which he is not a member, particularly of the Jews, which is the cause of his intense rivalry with Kyle Broflovski, making him even more anti-semitic and leading to him idolizing Adolf Hitler. Even his name, whether intentional on behalf of the creators or not, seems strikingly similar to that of Nazi fighter pilot Erich Hartmann. He often manipulates others, at which he is very adept, to meet his own ends, regardless of the consequences to other people, even if it can result in deaths and destruction. Cartman is unusual for a main character in that he can be both an antagonist and a protagonist, and even both simultaneously.

According to Trey Parker and Matt Stone, when they were creating South Park they were vexed that it would be impossible to put a character like Archie Bunker on late-20th century television. They thought, however, that if he were an animated eight-year-old boy, it might just be allowed. Thus, Cartman was born.[1]

Cartman's personality has notably changed over the course of series. While always self-centered and bigoted, he was portrayed as more of an immature brat in the earlier seasons. As the seasons progressed, his personality became more aggressive and cunning, eventually crossing the line into outright sociopathy, while his bigotry morphed seamlessly into Nazi-like hatred and theorizing. His abilities to manipulate other people into doing what he wants have become keener, along with his overall intelligence. Many believe that his cross into sociopathy occured in the episode Scott Tenorman Must Die. In the episode, Cartman was scammed out of 10$ by another kid, and as revenge, Cartman hacked up his dead parents and fed it to him as chili, which revealed how Psychopathic Cartman truly was.

In 2005, Cartman was ranked number nineteen on Bravo's 100 Greatest TV Characters. However,the real 50 greatest cartoon characters ranked Cartman #10 greatest cartoon character behind Spongebob Squarepants

 Anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry

Due in part to his adversarial relationship with Kyle (who is Jewish), Cartman is extremely anti-Semitic. In the episode “The Passion of the Jew,” after seeing The Passion of the Christ, he believes the film was Mel Gibson's way of rallying people against the Jews, and idolizes him for it. He then dresses up as Hitler and manipulates people, who think that they are simply raising awareness for the movie and Christianity, to join him in an anti-Jew march while chanting in mispronounced German: "Es ist Zeit für Rache" (It is time for revenge) and "Wir müssen die Juden ausrotten" (We must eradicate the Jews). When Cartman plans to cheat and win the special olympics by feigning a disability, Kyle attempts to talk him out of it by telling him, regardless of their differences, that Cartman will surely go to Hell for such an act; Cartman replies that Kyle does not understand that Hell is reserved for the Jews, indicating once again his self-righteousness.

In the episode "Pinkeye," Cartman dresses up as Hitler for Halloween. When shown a documentary to demonstrate why dressing like him “isn't cool,” Cartman is enthralled and imagines himself being the one commanding the Nazi troops in the video. Cartman’s admiration for Hitler is further emphasized in episode: “The Entity,” after being offered $40 by Kyle not to tease Kyle's cousin, Kyle Schwartz. Since Cartman has trouble restraining himself from teasing Kyle about his Jewish heritage, when the class teacher (Ms. Choksondik) later tells Kyle's cousin to concentrate, Cartman impulsively blurts out: “Maybe we should send him to concentration camp!”

A contradiction of his idolization of Hitler is seen in "I'm a Little Bit Country" where in this episode Cartman is incapable of pronouncing “Nazi” correctly (pronouncing it "Nay-zee") upon seeing it written, as though he had never come upon the word before. However, as established above, Eric is a Nazi sympathizer and an admirer of Adolf Hitler. Another contradiction occurs in "Tsst", when Cartman compares his mother – who had been instructed how to treat her rampantly egocentric son by the Dog Whisperer – with Hitler, as a reason why she should be killed, though this was only because his mother was punishing him had she been doing it to someone else he most likely would not have cared.

In addition to taking regular jabs at racial, ethnic and religious minorities, as well as people of lower income, Cartman is also prejudicial against redhaired, light skinned, freckled people, or ‘Gingers’. (Though this hatred may come from the fact that Kyle has red hair.) When the other three boys lead him to believe he has become a redhead himself, he is horrified. Later, he organizes a cult of homicidal ginger children bent on world conquest known as the ‘Ginger Separatist Movement,’ remarking: “I'm not going to live my life as a whoopee minority!”

Cartman’s most passionate abhorrence is aimed at hippies, though he seems to use this term for liberals in general. In episode: “Die, Hippie, Die,” he believes that hippies will destroy the town, and while the rest of the town is initially skeptical, his fears are eventually borne out. When too close to liberals, he suffers what could be called an allergic reaction. He also wore a bio-suit upon entering San Fransisco.

Cartman's bigotry and anti-semitism seem to come in second next to his personal needs, however; despite his hate for the Jews, Cartman saves Kyle in the episode "Smug Alert" because he can find no one else to pick on. In Le Petit Tourette, he is not above thanking Kyle for stopping him from possible public humiliation. Also, he revived Kyle (who had been killed by Manbearbig) in the episode Imaginationland Episode II so Kyle would suck his balls.

 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartman