Airbus secures $20 billion order for A350s and A380s

[Viking]

Originally posted by Angus
I prefer pointy heads rather than thick heads

(After all, my ancestor were Vikings)

Anyway, Viking, interesting with the time, - and Bruce. Are they just running up this testbed avery now and now, - the testing before A320 would have been before 1988 anyway, - even well before! I must confess that I also have absolutely no idea about what the TV material is. I'd love to see more though.
I just looked up Bruce on Wiki, he apparently is now getting some fame for his flying. He actually flew Iron Maiden to Iceland, held the concert with them, and then flew them back. One ball of energy.
(And a champion in Fencing as well )

Yeah ... I loved Bruce's comments on the Spitfire's beauty in some Discovery "10 best something" show, and i paraphrase: "The Spitfire is the only plane that has reduced my wife to tears!".

[Denholm]

Neubob, all I see in your messages is hate, hate and more hate. Everyone here has plenty of reasons to dislike the Arabs, but in reality they have laid down the foundations we walk on today.

Arabic Numerals: 0-9
Algebra: The work of a man named, "Mahommed ben Musa al-Khwarizmi"

These two items which Arabs invented are the foundations for everything today. You can't design a plane unless you know lots about aerodynamics, engineering and electronics. All three of those factors require major amounts of knowledge in Physics and Algebra to study forces of nature.

No matter how greatly you dislike them, you can't deny they helped life improve a long time ago.

Originally posted by Neubob
...Maybe one day somebody can build a time machine so that we may see it first hand...

Time machines don't exist because people using them travel to the past to murder the creators of the time machine.

[moot]

Bob, I'm just saying that they admire the west's technological achievements.  Narrowing down their pursuits to some religious dogmatism certainly did them no favors in that regard.
Nomad Bin Laden certainly is a good example of ascetism.  So are most of the archetypesque "leaders", Moktadasadr & co....  They don't live for anything but their duty.  Bread and water sort of livelihood.

I don't mind your ranting, I agree with almost all of it in fact, but I don't know what you mean by "hubris [...]", could you give a brief example?

Denholm, someone was bound to devise a base 10 scheme, and it wasn't a discovery that favored Arab culture more than any other...  We don't owe electronics or the rest of those examples you cite to Arabs.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Denholm
Arabic Numerals: 0-9
Algebra: The work of a man named, "Mahommed ben Musa al-Khwarizmi"

These two items which Arabs invented are the foundations for everything today.

so what have they done recently? Oh, i know, they perfected the car bomb.

[Denholm]

I wasn't pulling for their current modern success. I was mentioning that although there are so many reasons to be hateful towards them we should remember that they're still humans and in the past have laid foundations for all human life to help us succeed in many fashions.

[Nashwan]

When the rest of the region dries up, which it will, you don't think that the subsequent depression that envelopes the entire region might have just a tiny little effect on what your beloved Sheik's have planned?

I think they have a way to go yet. The ME has 61.5% of world proved oil reserves, yet currently supplies only 31.2% of the world's oil.

The ME  currently has a replacement to production rate of 79.5, meaning it would take 79.5 years at current output to exhaust their reserves. That compares to 12 years for North America, 41.2 years for South and Central America, 22.5 years for Europe, 31.1 years for Africa and 14 years for Asia Pacific.

Perhaps showing restraint in how much oil they pump now, so that they will still have oil in another 50 years, is their way of planning for the future?

[Angus]

Originally posted by Viking
Yeah ... I loved Bruce's comments on the Spitfire's beauty in some Discovery "10 best something" show, and i paraphrase: "The Spitfire is the only plane that has reduced my wife to tears!".

NOW NOW NOW. You can't swing that one in front of me without a linkie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(BTW, I was once looking at Spits showing up with MY wife. She thought they were absolutely cool )

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by moot
And Boeing isn't that marginalized in the full order tally:
Airbus:
70 A320's
30 A350's

Boeing:
70 737's
15 787's
10 777's
5 748F's

Air Blue

8 A320

Yemenia Airways

10 A350-800 XWB

Dubai Aerospace Enterprise

Airbus - Total 100
70 A320
30 A350XWB

Boeing - Total 100
70 737NG
15 787
10 777-300ER
5 747-8F

Qatar

Boeing - Total 57
30 787 + 35 options
6 777-200LR
14 777-300ER
7 777F

Emirates

Airbus - Total 81
50 A350-900
20 A350-1000 + 50 options.
11 A380

Boeing
12 777-300ER

Nas Air

Airbus
20 A320

Embraer
5 E190 + 5 options + purchase rights + 12

Air Arabia

Airbus
34 A320 + 15 options

Saudi Arabian

Airbus
22 A320s + purchase rights for 8


TOTALS

Airbus
154 A320
110 A350
11 A380
-------------
275


Boeing
70 737
5 747-8F
6 777-200LR
36 777-300ER
45 787
-------------
162

63 : 37

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Viking
You may very well be right about that Yeager. You people are not exactly making yourselves popular in that part of the world.

That doesn't seem to be the case though, rather, just your opinion.

Dubai Aerospace Enterprise (DAE) signed a US $13.5 billion letter of intent with Airbus for up to 100 aircraft, which included the an associated deal with Rolls-Royce for Trent XWB engines to power the A350 XWBs.

The aircraft will be owned by the group’s aircraft leasing and financing business, DAE Capital. Within hours DAE capital went on to sign a letter of intent for 100 aircraft, worth approximately US $13.7 billion with Boeing, for 70 Boeing 737 next generation aircraft and 30 widebody planes with the price incorporating a deal with General Electric for engines to power the aircraft. Then Boeing went on to win an order, worth around US $972 million, for six additional 787-8 Dreamliners from Dubai-based LCAL, an aircraft leasing company.

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Then Boeing went on to win an order, worth around US $972 million, for six additional 787-8 Dreamliners from Dubai-based LCAL, an aircraft leasing company.
 

The deal, worth approximately $972 million at list prices, previously was listed on the Boeing Orders and Deliveries Web site and attributed to an unidentified customer.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
That doesn't seem to be the case though, rather, just your opinion.[/i]

It is true that it is just my opinion, however like 2bighorn has shown Airbus seriously outsold Boeing in the Dubai air show; even the A350 outsold the 787 by more than double. I doubt it is just because Airbus makes better planes.

[Viking]

Rip, what is your opinion on Rudy's take on the 787 vs. A350 ... conflict?

http://www.leeham.net/filelib/Rudy.pdf

[john9001]

See Rule #5

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Denholm
they have laid down the foundations we walk on today.

So did fish...

If those arab innovators were alive today, they wouldn't recognize what their own people have turned themselves into. And if the spirit of their inventiveness is any illustration of their character, they would surely not be proud of their descendants.

Moot,

By hubris I refer to things like that series of artificial island chains designed as prime real-estate for the super wealth. That would be classified as hubris before nature... The free-to-enter amusement park courtesy of the Sultan of Brunai... The car collections, the palaces, and all the other zero-return investments. They live and behave like the richest men ever--which they are not, by a longshot.

Yes, this does somewhat fly in the face of my own belief that a man should spend his money the way he wants, but even I see something inherently arrogant about spending trillions on expensive toys that add nothing to the economy--especially when so many arabs live in poverty. Such self-worship cannot end well, and won't, no matter what lengths these Sheiks went to to ensure a post oil-economy.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Viking
Rip, what is your opinion on Rudy's take on the 787 vs. A350 ... conflict?

http://www.leeham.net/filelib/Rudy.pdf

Has the A350 rolled out yet? When it does, I'll comment.